Talk:Wikimedia CEE Spring 2019

Differences from 2018 edition

Can someone tell the differences from 2018 edition in a nutshell, if there are any? -- ViraMotorko (WMUA) (talk) 11:27, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

We're currently figuring that out ourselves, hence the lack of a rules page so far. Think it will take another week to set up the pages and implement changes that we discussed at the last CEE meeting :-) Braveheart (talk) 08:16, 10 February 2019 (UTC)

Besides, does Define a list of around 100 articles about your country, region or language, in ten of the following categories as considered meaningful with help from your own community mean that there should be any 10 categories, as soon as there are exactly 10 of them? -- ViraMotorko (WMUA) (talk) 11:41, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

@ViraMotorko (WMUA): Yes, any 10 categories are fine - that's mainly just to offer some diversity to ppl who like to go through them to find an article they might want to write. Braveheart (talk) 08:16, 10 February 2019 (UTC)

Questions

Hi. Is there any information about when the timeline will be released? Also, a user who isn't organizer in any wiki, can create a list about a region who covers a language that the user doesn't contribute here? Nikosgranturismogt (talk) 18:56, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

@Nikosgranturismogt: The rough timeline for organisers is already published, the only thing missing is the timeline per week, which depends on the participants (and will happen tomorrow evening).

Considering the second question, I'm not quite sure what you mean - do you mean that users can create lists for foreign countries too? In this case the answer is yes (if it's a country), since this year we wanted to include all countries of CEE as a list (there will be no thematic week about that country though). You can also use the CCC tool to create a list, for example Montenegro if that makes sense to you :-) Braveheart (talk) 19:01, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

@Braveheart: Thank you for your immediate response! For the second question, that was the context (if a non-organizer can create a list about Montenegro, Sorbian or Crimean Tatar for example). Nikosgranturismogt (talk) 20:47, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

@Braveheart: I'm working on the lists. Montenegro's list is under construction right now. Anyway, Montenegro, Crimean Tatar and Sorbian go for the last week of May? Good luck to the contest. Nikosgranturismogt (talk) 19:49, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

@Nikosgranturismogt: - Thanks for creating the lists! The weekly focus is reserved for communities and countries that participate, otherwise there would be no perk left to actually participate in this contest :-) Best, Braveheart (talk) 21:08, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

Just now I created the list for Sakha Republic, copied from 2016 list and improved with approximately 20 more pages. Please inform the local organizers in order to add the new list. Nikosgranturismogt (talk) 12:37, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

I am sorry — after 2016 it was decided as 0% of Sakha Republic is located in Europe, it will not be included in CEE Spring anymore. --Papuass (talk) 16:42, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

How about Montenegro? Will there be a spot for it in timeline? -Jarash 21:21, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

@Jarash: No - only countries/regions/communities with local contests will be included :-) Braveheart (talk) 23:15, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

Wikimedia_CEE_Spring_2019/Goals

Are goals the same as in 2018? Gdarin | talk 09:36, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

@Gdarin: The goals are also available in the grant application. They are roughly the same, I think they're a bit adapted based on last year's results. Braveheart (talk) 19:11, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

Statistics

As I mentioned in here, statistics may (actually do!) lead users wrong and give wrong information. These statistics are based on the CEE Spring 2019 template that must have been added to talk pages of the articles that are created or developed during the contest. But anyone can add those templates to the talk page of any article, and organizers will check if those articles are following the rules of the contest after the end of the contest. For example, I can just add this template to the talk page of an article that I created, and it is smaller than 3.000 kB (one of the rules in the Turkish Wikipedia). And we can't see that until the end of the contest. In that case, that statistics page will give wrong information. Wouldn't it be better and more correct if we add statistics manually after the contest, when we determine all the results?--Rapsar (talk) 06:59, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

@Rapsar: I don't think that's feasible to manually add 9000 articles. Yes, you can abuse templates, but in the last four years I haven't been aware of any issues with the templates. Braveheart (talk) 09:20, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

@Rapsar: Would adding article size in bytes to this table help with the problem? --Papuass (talk) 09:52, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

We already have Wikimedia CEE Spring 2019/Statistics/Article length which Masti generates in the beginning of June for local organisers to use for their local contests - would that help too? The page looked like this in 2018: Wikimedia CEE Spring 2018/Statistics/Article length. Braveheart (talk) 10:27, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

@Braveheart:, it is not only about abusing, users can and do add templates to the articles that doesn't meet the rules. @Papuass:, the article size isn't the only problem, because many Wikipedias (including Turkish) have other rules. We have "at least two reliable sources" rule for example, some Wikipedias have "minimum 200 words" rule etc.--Rapsar (talk) 17:47, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

@Rapsar: I'm not sure what the problem is - is it more about comparing local contests with each other? I.e. it's easier to write articles in one language Wikipedia over another? Braveheart (talk) 10:13, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

The problem is to give wrong statistics and that doesn't work for anything @Braveheart:. They can be given at the end of the project, after the determination of the results. So we can eliminate unqualified articles.--Rapsar (talk) 18:16, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

The statistics will always have a certain uncertainty - cleaning up unqualified articles can still be done afterwards, doing the stats during the contest are only an indicator. Braveheart (talk) 13:31, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

Article lists length

I am to translate disappointment of ukwiki organising team members with the number of articles in the lists. Even though it is defined in the rules as "about 100 articles" and not exactly 100, many participating communities have more than one hundred in their list, some of them even around 200. "10 categories" rule is also not complied with, even Poland has 12. Ukwiki had a tough time deciding which articles to promote, and one of my colleagues feels like, quote, "the most honest fool". Is there anything to ease this situation? -- ViraMotorko (WMUA) ^(talk) 15:57, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

@ViraMotorko (WMUA): sorry to hear that, we did have extensive discussions about the length of the lists at Wikimedia Conference, Wikimania and the CEE Meeting over the last few years. The majority of opinions was that the 100 articles are a benchmark and do not need to be kept. One of the conundrums is providing articles for small Wikipedias that are of a more general nature and at the same time offering missing articles for more established Wikipedias. That's one of the reasons some of the lists are way larger. We can bring this up in Belgrade again this year, maybe diversifying the lists :-) Braveheart (talk) 10:11, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

P.S.: It is still possible to add new articles to your list if you feel like more articles should be promoted :-) Braveheart (talk) 10:12, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

Category of Romania and Moldova articles

Hi all, I want to remind you that in the statistics lists articles by countries Romania and Moldova are in separate columns. Тhe articles of these two countries are in the same category. For this reason, they are not visible in statistic lists.-Beko (talk) 07:37, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

@Beko: Thanks for the reminder, Masti will be aggregating the two countries from now on :-) Braveheart (talk) 13:29, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

Template + categories

It often happens that users make typos while filling in the contest template. Special:WantedCategories helps a little bit to spot the needed categories for 'articles about country' with typo, but it's not reliable. Does anyone knows an easy way to list all the pages that have a template but are not in any of categories in the list? I thought that PetScan has to do it, but can't figure it out. Thanks. --Ата ^(talk) 08:06, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

Spiritia, I know you're a guru user of various instruments, perhaps you can help me here? --Ата ^(talk) 10:03, 5 May 2019 (UTC)

Hm, I'd thought the stats list with the listed articles and the topic might help with that? Wouldn't all entries without a topic be candidates for such typos? Braveheart (talk) 12:33, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

Braveheart, do you mean that there already exists such a list or that such a list can be created? Besides, articles with typo in topic ≠ articles without the topic, in case this is what you were having in mind. --Ата ^(talk) 11:35, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

@Ата: This article list lists every article with topic and country - I'm not sure how Masti has handled cases where the bot doesn't recognise the parameters, but it might be worth checking those articles :-) Braveheart (talk) 12:23, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

Oh, thanks. This is helpful. --Ата ^(talk) 17:22, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

Some lines have blank cells for country, even though template is put correctly. Masti, can you please say what the reason may be? --Ата ^(talk) 07:50, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

@Ата and Braveheart: if bot cannot recognize country it puts its name on article list in bold and lists it on a technical page Wikimedia CEE Spring 2019/Statistics/Other countries. If it is still not there there is osme error I have to look at. @Ата I will look on articles with empty coutry for uk.wiki as it only should be emty if the template does not have a country listed. masti <talk> 08:25, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

@Ата and Braveheart: The problem is that in WikiData for uk.wiki there is a template Європейська весна 2019 but a lot of articles use CEE Spring 2019. They are counted as artices but the bot analyzing templates does not recognize it as it only takes template names from WD. Let mi think about it for a moment. masti <talk> 10:52, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

@Ата and Braveheart: It s fixed now. the bot can now recognize template redirects. masti <talk> 07:21, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

Thank you, @Masti: --Ата ^(talk) 11:30, 18 May 2019 (UTC)