Talk:Stewards/Elections 2021/Votes/Operator873

Discussion for Naleksuh's vote

• Moved from Main Vote page, For the EC, — regards, Revi 16:53, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

  Original response is also re-added to the main vote page. — regards, Revi 16:59, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for linking and quoting casting asperations as it seems that is what you are doing here. Especially this part: If accusations must be made, they should be raised, with evidence, on the user-talk page of the editor they concern or in the appropriate forums. I will begin my response with the assertion that this is not the appropriate forum and I've never received any talk page message on the matter from you. I've never been asked for evidence from any other editors so that statement is an outright lie. Since I've consented to you releasing any logs you may have which demonstrate and support your accusation, I look forward to seeing exactly what you are referring to. However, I can venture a guess that you are referring to my issuing you a (1) warning about your IRC behavior towards SEWP sysops. Specifically, the pattern of hounding and harassing sysops on and off wiki. This behavior, among others, resulted in you being community banned before. You've also a documented history of incivility towards other editors. As any SEWP CU or Ombuds person may verify, I have not used the CheckUser extension to connect your previous accounts and this is purely based off your behavior. Per CLEANSTART, since you've been connected to those previous accounts, you are responsible for the conduct of those accounts. I also find that you have a significant overlap where you used Krett12 and Computer Fizz at the same time, even interacting with yourself on occasion. This invalidates the CLEANSTART and leaves you subject to enforcement of abusing multiple accounts by evading scrutiny. To continue the pattern, Naleksuh became active before Computer Fizz was abandoned after being connected to Krett12 in your failed RfA. My warning to you to discontinue your pattern of abuse on IRC is not harassment and was, in fact, my effort to assume good faith and hope you would correct your behavior on your 3rd account. It is quite apparent you do not intend to do so. Since I've provided diffs to support my statements and have consented (per Martin Urbanec) to you providing logs, I look forward to you providing evidence of your accusations or withdraw it and acknowledge you were casting asperations. Operator873^talkconnect 15:58, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

The irony in this vote is not lost on anyone. I tried to bring it up on your talk page since its a general theme in multiple comments you've made at SE, but someone who is violating policy in multiple ways with a dirty "clean start", personal attacks and false accusations of users who are in good standing is hypocrisy at it's finest. None of your claims of attacks or harassment have been substantiated and you supported other functionaries and advanced right holders in violating policy in your two renames on your accounts that were sanctioned on two projects to effectively hide the past under the guise of a "clean start" makes this seem like a baseless grudge and until you can provide evidence otherwise, this vote should be struck. Praxidicae (talk) 16:37, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

I considered addressing this (many of his sources support his statements as well as several other glaring issues) but since the request will likely fail anyway due to lack of cross wiki activity, I don't see a need to further the flames. Naleksuh (talk) 16:39, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

No, your refusal to provide any proof after he's consented to posting the supposed harassment makes this nothing more than a blatant personal attack (and apparently, a lie.) And it doesn't address the actual issue at hand, which is tantamount to you harassing Operator873 for rightfully calling you out on your apparent xwiki abuse, sock puppetry and violation of numerous policies on multiple projects. So again, I'd suggest you provide that proof. Praxidicae (talk) 16:43, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

So if accusing other editors of harassment and not providing diffs for it is a personal attack, what would you call this, then? Naleksuh (talk) 16:47, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

I'd call that a complete inability to read on your part, or perhaps a total fabrication. Praxidicae (talk) 16:48, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

Operator873's claims are fabrications, which was the whole point of this. Naleksuh (talk) 16:57, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

Naleksuh so, Operator (and Vermont and numerous other editors for that matter) claim that your previous two accounts, Computer Fizz and Krett12, is untrue, or that you were subject to sanctions on two projects under those two accounts? You still haven't provided a single bit of evidence to back up your claim. Praxidicae (talk) 16:59, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

I was strictly referring to his comment My issue with you is your pattern of abuse, harassment, and and^[sic] uncivil/unkind nature. Let me say that again, PATTERN. As in, predictable. Knowable. Annoyingly reliable. Naleksuh (talk) 17:01, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

If you think that's a personal attack, you need to re-read the definition of a personal attack. You have subjected multiple projects and editors to abuse. This is a fact and is evidenced by your extensive block log on both enwiki and simplewiki and your attempt to obfuscate your on-wiki identity and history. Just because Operator didn't sugar coat it to stroke your ego, does not make it a personal attack. You, however, insinuating that Operator harassed you off-wiki is. Praxidicae (talk) 17:04, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

You're welcome to vote whichever way you want, but it's clear that if Operator873 accuses another editor of harassment that isn't a personal attack, but if I do it is. I'm about done with this thread as simply accusing me of what I have accused him of (with multiple evidences submitted to ElectCom and partially available here) is not going to convince me to change my !vote. Naleksuh (talk) 17:08, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

I am not trying to get you to change your vote, in fact, I don't care about your vote and I wasn't planning on supporting myself. I care that you are casting aspersions, telling outright lies and making egregious personal attacks. It's about your poor behavior that violates policy with unsubstantiated claims of abuse from an editor in good standing, among other things. This is not allowed. Either back it up or redact the personal attacks or I will take this to RFH and request a ban. Praxidicae (talk) 17:13, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

And let me clarify - you can vote to oppose all you want. Luckily steward elections don't require a reason. This does not give you the right to violate policy by inserting personal attacks. That's the crux of the issue that you're failing to understand. Praxidicae (talk) 17:17, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

I'd call it exactly the same pattern I described above. Thank you for sharing that. Operator873^talkconnect 16:49, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

Naleksuh, that's a conversation. A PM conversation, between two editors. If you've been hounding admins on IRC about every tiny little oddity in admin actions for weeks, you shouldn't expect your messages to be copied and pasted back to you. Vermont (talk) 16:51, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

my messages copied and pasted back to me is an extreme mischaracterization. I have done nothing but attempts to reach out to other editors in a kind manner and ignore any past conflicts. In this particular case I was consistently met with coldness every time. What has been linked above shows exactly htat. Naleksuh (talk) 16:57, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

I interpret that PM you made to Operator as a deliberate attempt to provoke him into saying something uncivil (which he didn't). I think that much is clear to everyone here, Naleksuh. --IWI (talk) 17:03, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

That was my read as well. SQL^{Query me!} 17:09, 5 February 2021 (UTC)