Talk:Small Wiki Monitoring Team/Archive 2

Global contributions

I don't know where the best place to ask would be so I do it here? Is possible to add to all wiki's a link to the global contributions [1] at the bottom of the local contributions? --Egmontaz♤ ^talk 04:17, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

On sv.wikisource, this tool has been added to s:sv:MediaWiki:Sp-contributions-footer and s:sv:MediaWiki:Sp-contributions-footer-anon. -- Lavallen 18:18, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Warning users at SW's

I'd like to ask your opinion about warning users that are experimenting on small wikis. At my home wiki (el.wiki) I hold the opinion that it's obligatory to warn users, especially the one's that are just testing. In this case its not a warning but rather a light welcome message. I think this kind of behavior helps small wikis that do need more users, since many users stared their interaction with wikipedia just by testing their ability to change something on a page (even if this is just: asdfasdfasdf). So do you find it a good idea to inform testing users even if one does not understand the language (an so will be incapable to answer any questions), I think it's better than nothing, but the language barrier is a serious argument so I want more opinions about that. --Egmontaz♤ ^talk 18:10, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Language question

Hi, I'm interested in this group's work, and wondering if there's a way for me to pitch in once in a while. Unfortunately, I'm not exactly multi-lingual; I am fluent in English, and I probably know enough French to work effectively on anti-vandalism.

I looked at the tools used by this group, but I don't see a way to view queues for all English or all French projects; it looks like it's only broken down by project type (Wikipedias, Wikibookses etc.) Am I missing something? Thanks for any clarifications, -Peteforsyth 01:10, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

(1) Which tools do you mean?

(2) Well the english (and some of the french, If I'm not wrong only fr:wikinews & fr:wikiquote are within swmt scope) projects aren't actually small wikis so they are not monitored by swmt :)

(3) You'll be surprised to find out that you can recognize vandalism without beeing multilingual! Some is too obvius, some will be obvius if you use google translation etc.

Just try #cvn-sw^connect. Kind regards and happy antivandalism :) --Egmontaℨ♤ 09:02, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

IRC

Is IRC pretty much the only medium from which the monitoring could be done? Can the bots' feeds not be handled by third party software? Also, there's no way it could be rerouted back to irc.wikimedia.org, could it? -- Mentifisto 00:50, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

Giitu and thanks from the Northern Sámi wiki!

The job you are doing is fantastic and leaves me reassured that when I don't have time for the Wikipedia that someone is watching out for it. Thank you very, very, very much! -Yupik 18:53, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

opting out request from mr wiki and mr wiktionary

• We at mr wiki community has been self sufficient in routin patrol of mr wiki and mr wiktionary,(We would still need meta support to controll only inter wiki spammsters ,as and when that happens), We still need support of steward/global sysop/SWMT at our sister projects namely mr wikibooks ,and mr wikiquote ,We wish steward/global sysop/SWMT team avoid edits at mr wiki and mr wiktionary other than those to control interwiki spammers. Mahitgar (He who knows ,wants to know and and loves to keep others informed) 14:54, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

With reference to above discussion we posted a poll at Marathi Languge Wikipedia in above respect at following page : Poll for Opting out of SWMT and Global Sysop Interferance , Opting out proposal has got 5 votes in support and none opposing.Please do the needfull at your earliestMahitgar (He who knows ,wants to know and and loves to keep others informed) 11:13, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

articles in non-local languages

Hi, This is a question I'm curious about and I thought this group might know the answer. Is there consensus or best practice on what to do about articles in languages other than the language of the wiki? For instance, English-Wikipedia articles that are cut & pasted into small-language wikis. This is pretty common, and I'm wondering if we do anything about it globally. Do people typically delete those pages or leave them alone? I'm talking about pages that have no translation done and aren't necessarily added by active members of the local wiki. thanks, phoebe | talk 03:14, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

It depends on local sysop activity. If there are any recently active local admins, I usually let them deal with it to avoid stepping on any toes. If it's a more-or-less dead project, I sometimes take the liberty of deleting such pages. However, they might very well simply be in the process of translating it, so it's probably best to give it a while before deleting. –Juliancolton | ^Talk 03:20, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Agree. From experience, after cut and pasting an English article, sometimes the translator have to do other things in RL, and may or may not finish the translation. Assuming good faith, if someone does that too often, we might give a friendly reminder of the pages that he/she haven't finished translating. If it's just one or two articles, we could comment the untranslated part out, especially if the templates are broken. Bennylin 03:37, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

New irc channel to latin derivated languages projects

I was wondering if it wouldn't be a good tool the creation of a new channel, to the Latin derivated languages like Portuguese, French, Spanish, Italian and the derivated languages like Mirandese, Catalan... Most of the speakers of this main languages understands without big problems the other languages, so it could be a more defective tool to survey the projects, specially cause there is no need to "guess" if the code language belongs to something that we understand. Spam vandalisms are easy to check, but most of the other ones aren't, and there is a lot of diffs that escape from vigilance. I've colected some of the projects, at least this ones (33):

• an.wikipedia.org * an.wiktionary.org * ast.wikibooks.org * ast.wikiquote.org * ast.wikipedia.org * ast.wiktionary.org * ay.wikipedia.org * ay.wiktionary.org * ca.wikibooks.org * ca.wikinews.org * ca.wikiquote.org * es.wikibooks.org * es.wikinews.org * es.wikiquote.org * es.wikisource.org * es.wikiversity.org * es.wiktionary.org * fr.wikinews.org * fr.wikiquote.org * gl.wikibooks.org * gl.wikiquote.org * gl.wikisource.org * gl.wikipedia.org * it.wikibooks.org * it.wikinews.org * it.wikiquote.org * it.wikisource.org * it.wikiversity.org * mwl.wikipedia.org * pt.wikinews.org * pt.wikiquote.org * pt.wikisource.org * pt.wikiversity.org

Alchimista 13:00, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Blog page

Looks like the Inactivewikipedias blog page has gone missing. It's a shame, the listing was a pretty handy tool in monitoring small projects. Does anyone know who operated it? Is there an alternative/similar tool somewhere? Jafeluv 23:28, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

No? Well, I guess #cvn-sw will have to do... Jafeluv 09:46, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

readerfeedback testwiki

Hi guys, what about that readerfeedback wiki? No admin, no crat, but frequent SPAM and vandalism. What about "articles" like this one? Do we still need this wiki and if yes, who is going to care for it? axp_de^Hello! 07:24, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

There are a few points regarding that wiki...

• This wiki is a test wiki, which users can use to test out new features, like in this case, the ReaderFeedback extension.
• This wiki isn't yet monitored by the bots of Countervandalism Network, so users in #cvn-sw^connect are unable to see live feed of the changes on that wiki.

I do hope you can understand. Hydriz 07:34, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

Well, I know about the readerfeedback extension and the need to test it, but it should definetly be monitored! And there should be administrative control on this wiki! axp_de^Hello! 07:51, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

name change proposal

We don't just monitor small wikis, we also do administrative tasks (reverting, deleting, blocking, ...). Hence we should rename to

"SMALL WIKI ADMINISTRATING TEAM"

(abbreviated: SWAT, which is another advantage) axp_de^Hello! 13:11, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

No. Do not give people the impression that you are the administrators of "smaller" (*cough*) wikipedias; that's what the respective administrators are. Your job is indeed just to monitor these projects so that those who do have the appropriate rights can take action. Seb az86556 15:19, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

+1. Our job is to monitor vandalism in the wiki; we only use the "administrative" buttons in an emergency. Moreover, a lot of wikis monitored in #cvn-sw are quite large and have too many active admins for either stewards or GSes to perform administrative actions. I'm fine with the name "Small Wiki Monitoring Team", "Small Wiki Administrating Team" is confusing and slightly misleading too as not everyone can use the admin functions in the "small" wikis. Regards, Pmlineditor (t · c · l) 15:24, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

A clear no. We don't administrate small wikis. -Barras 15:31, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

oppose Per above. --WizardOfOz ^talk 15:50, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

You really want to be associated with the likes of this? 62.231.136.1 16:27, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

• Administrative tasks include much more than just reverting/blocking/deleting, and per above, we don't do any of the ones but those. Definitely no need to rename the group. Ajraddatz (Talk) 18:03, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

Okok, was just a proposal ;-) axp_de^Hello! 18:31, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

opting out request from mr wiki and mr wiktionary

• Just a reminder
• We at mr wiki community has been self sufficient in routin patrol of mr wiki and mr wiktionary,(We would still need meta support to controll only inter wiki spammsters ,as and when that happens), We still need support of steward/global sysop/SWMT at our sister projects namely mr wikibooks ,and mr wikiquote ,We wish steward/global sysop/SWMT team avoid edits at mr wiki and mr wiktionary other than those to control interwiki spammers. Mahitgar (He who knows ,wants to know and and loves to keep others informed) 14:54, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

With reference to above discussion we posted a poll at Marathi Languge Wikipedia in above respect at following page : Poll for Opting out of SWMT and Global Sysop Interferance , Opting out proposal has got 5 votes in support and none opposing.Please do the needfull at your earliestMahitgar (He who knows ,wants to know and and loves to keep others informed) 11:13, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Use of SWMT membership to get rollback

Hi SMWTers, just to make you aware of the situation with User:Thepoliticalmaster. He claims to be a member of the Small Wiki Monitoring Team and uses this when approaching a variety of projects (Simple Wiktionary, Simple English Wikipedia, English Wiktionary) in order to be granted rollback. On Simple English Wiktionary, he was granted rollback after literally one edit. I attempted to raise this in the SMWT IRC recently but got no response. He is currently being considered for a community ban on English Wikipedia after being a timewaster on enwiki and wasting lots of volunteer time on IRC. Being able to say he is a member of the SWMT has been used as part of his approach to these smaller wikis.

You may wish to consider whether or not to set a very low minimum competence requirement for membership of the SWMT, otherwise users can bounce around between wikis after being utterly unproductive and problematic on a major wiki. The work done by the SWMT is important in furthering the goals of the Wikimedia movement, but sadly people like PM are able to use the trust to be granted tools he is either misusing or not competent to possess. —Tom Morris (talk) 09:02, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

Appreciated. If you look the user is not actually an active member but a new member - I would treat claims with caution. Any suggestions of activity/responsibility should be checked out and not assumed I guess. Regards --Herby ^{talk thyme} 09:07, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

Rollback is not brain surgery. The amount of damage you can do is limited. -- Lavallen 15:44, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

If someone abuses the tools, take it away and block them. Also to undo the damage caused by the perpetrator can be easily done with a few clicks, simple as that. —stay (sic)! 16:36, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Mentorship

I am looking for an active and experienced team member to mentor me in SWMT-related matters. Ideally, it should be someone who is often on IRC. If you think you can help me out, just reply here. For a little background about me, see my userpage on en.wikipedia. — Waterfox ^~talk~ 22:36, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

Mh...I can do this. I'm already an oldie here and am 24/7 on IRC. If you need help, just ping me if you want me as Mentor. -Barras 22:40, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

24/7 minus half days standing in rain ;-) a×p_de^Hello! 11:45, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Yes it´s true, Barras is an oldie :D but, I´m sure that everyone who is around on IRC will help you. Just feel free to ask. --WizardOfOz ^talk 16:53, 16 August 2011 (UTC)