Talk:Programs & Events Dashboard/Archives/2017

Links

User:Abittaker (WMF) and others, can links be added to the dashboard please, to documentation and feedback pages here? Thanks. Elitre (WMF) (talk) 12:07, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

Elitre (WMF) I am not sure what you mean. Are you asking that the tool at https://outreachdashboard.wmflabs.org/ link to this page on Meta? If that is what you mean, then that seems like a good idea. Blue Rasberry (talk) 22:18, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

Yup. Elitre (WMF) (talk) 12:57, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

Elitre (WMF) Go to the dashboard and look at the top. There is a button which says, "documentation". That button now leads here. Does that resolve your request? Blue Rasberry (talk) 17:29, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

It does, thanks. I still recommend making it obvious somewhere which is the main page to get related feedback. Assuming it's this one, maybe make a big "Feedback" link from the navigation template or something. TY, Elitre (WMF) (talk) 17:35, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

Astinson (WMF), you added that side box. I do not quite see how it works. May I ask you to link to the talkpage with a "Feedback" button in that box? Or alternatively, what is your opinion on how we should advertise for feedback? Blue Rasberry (talk) 19:32, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

userspace drafts

All of the courses i've been involved in running which are about creating new articles have the students begin their articles as drafts - in sandboxes - and halfway through the course program the wikipedian-teacher 'approves' the articles to go 'live'. This ensures that the article has reached some minimum standard that will (hopefully) mean it doesn't get tagged for deletion immediately, and also allows the student the time to play-around in their learning environment. It also means that only that student will be editing the article in the first period and another experienced wikipedian doesn't, by chance, come along and rapidly improve/change the assigned article before the student has had a chance.

Does this 'start in a draft, then move to mainspace' process work within the dashboard environment? Wittylama (talk) 22:35, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

Wittylama Check this out right now. These participants are editing in their sandbox and the dashboard is counting their edits and word addition. This does not add to the "article" count. Does that answer your question? Note especially the "recent edits" number, which helps me as manager confirm who is editing.

I think that it might be wise to watch your words - I am not sure if userspace sandboxes work the same way as articles in draft: space. I do not know how much these things matter but I wonder a lot about how things work myself. Blue Rasberry (talk) 23:00, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

Is it possible to change the name of a program please on the event dashboard?

Hello, I just created a program called Lausanne antenna in the Campaign: Art+Feminism 2017 and I would much appreciate the possibility to change the name of the program. Can an admin help me in either making that change or in deleting this event so that I may create a new one please? If possible I would much appreciate the chance to call the program: "Love Machine Art + Feminism antenna Lausanne 2017"
Many thanks for your help on this matter. Cheers --Gabrielle Marie WMCH (talk) 17:55, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

Gabrielle Marie WMCH Thanks for writing. If you have already advertised the link to the program that you made, then I recommend staying with it, because there is not currently a way to redirect people to a new link. There is no way to change the name of a program, and instead, the only way to get a new name is to make a new program. If you have not already promoted the link, then make a new program. It is okay to have more than one. It is best to delete the unused one after, and right now, the software will not let you do this as you must have noticed. I looked for your program and could not find it. Could you give me the link to it, so I can delete it? Thanks. Blue Rasberry (talk) 15:10, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for your help Bluerasberry. I think we will stick with it then as the event is tomorrow and some people have already joined the program. It's called the Lausanne antenna in the Art + Feminism 2017 campaign. I realised only afterwards that the title I chose was probably not specific enough. For future reference, if I need to delete a program, may I ask you on this discussion page or is there a specific area where to file those requests? Many thanks and have a good day --Gabrielle Marie WMCH (talk) 09:10, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

Gabrielle Marie WMCH All questions or requests about the dashboard go here.

I think the dashboard works well for most cases but it really only has been shared for use for a few months, so there are still things like name changes which do not have particular proceeds decided yet. The name will be fine - the event is for you. There is a "campaign" system which categorizes events, so if you worry about the name being hard to find, make sure you put the event in "campaigns" that fit. Blue Rasberry (talk) 12:41, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

Adding to the list articles/Qs in Wikivoyage, Wikiquote, Wikidata and Wikibooks.

We are organizing our second Pentathlon and we need to measure not only Wikipedias and Commons, but also Wikivoyage, Wikiquote, Wikidata and Wikibooks. How do I add those items to our list of articles to edit.

I have managed to add in different Wikipedias (e.g. ca:Casas-Ibánez and es:Casas-Ibáñez give the same article in Catalan and Spanish) but we need to do the same in the other projects.

Thank you.

B25es (talk) 20:02, 12 March 2017 (UTC)

You can add articles from (almost) any wiki, by one of two ways:

• Copy and paste the full url; or
• Click the 'change' link below the article input field, and select the language and project.

Wikidata support is a little buggy if you don't use the copy-paste method; it forces you to select a language, although that will be ignored, but the link will point to a bad url until you refresh the page. A few other projects — multilingual Wikisource, the Incubator wiki — are not yet supported.--Sage (Wiki Ed) (talk) 20:19, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

Multilingual Wikisource as well as Incubator are now supported.--Sage (Wiki Ed) (talk) 23:18, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

Admin rights for P & E Dashboard

Hi everyone! From the Education Collab, we're all very excited to try out the dashboard for our various program activities and from our monthly call this week we ended up in a conversation about admin rights. Should program leaders have admin rights? What is the appropriate process for this? Thanks. --Sara Mörtsell (WMSE) (talk) 07:57, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

I believe that program leaders that are known should certainly have admin rights. These will allow them to group various programs together under the correct campaign and assist others in arranging their courses & events. So +1 from my end. :) Shani Evenstein 16:16, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

@Sara Mörtsell (WMSE) and Esh77: I have been granted some rights on the PED --not sure they are admin rights, though-- and it sure helps. BTW, have you launched the new functionalities to enable automatic edits? I have just released a draft on the education newsletter about it. You should definitely go for it. Hope you are well. --Joalpe (talk) 03:18, 1 October 2017 (UTC)

Need translation administrator's help

Right now there are only 3 paragraphs can be translated in this page. But actually the English page has expanded. If you see other languages, you can only see the top 3 paragraphs are translated. --Liang(WMTW) (talk) 09:36, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

Where new Dashboard users can go for help

Hello all. I'm a huge fan of Wiki Ed's Dashboard and greatly appreciate the work that's been done to adapt Dashboard here, in the WMF space, to be used for other Wikipedia-related programs, events and campaigns. Reading through the posts on this page, it seems that there's global interest in the platform, which is really exciting. Congrats to all involved.

I'm currently using a high-level project page for the course I'm leading now with public library staff.

In the next few weeks, I'm considering what and how to introduce the Dashboard to new participants who are developing plans of action to incorporate Wikipedia editing at libraries -- for staff training, for book clubs, for info literacy.

However, first as I'm looking around, I realize I'd like to understand more clearly what kinds of support they can expect from WMF when using Dashboard to run a class or an editing event and where to go to get it? Pinging User:Astinson (WMF) User:Bluerasberry User:DannyH (WMF) User:Sage (Wiki Ed) -- hi! and thanks for guidance! Monikasj (talk) 18:46, 16 October 2017 (UTC)

@Monikasj: So far as I know, I am the only person who has ever offered peer to peer support for the general public in using this tool. Wiki Ed has organized the development of the tool and provides staff support for using the tool only to university instructors in the United States and Canada. Various developers at the WMF have at times done software development for the tool and very limited community surveys on its use.

In summary - no support whatsoever is promised. Although I give a little support, I do it on my own schedule and favor assisting established Wikipedians. Personally, I have the opinion and have personally seen many new users use the tool without support, but I recognize that for your program you need a safety net. I think all of Wikipedia needs this safety net, especially since in my opinion so much Wikimedia outreach and institutional buy-in depends on users being able to get data for this tool.

If I were to make the best recommendation that I could to you on limited information and my understanding of your resources, it would be for you to commit to be the short term point of contact for using the tool for your community base. I can commit to supporting you, and also to making referrals to you to other Wikipedians who use the tool. Although Wiki Ed support is probably out of scope for your public library outreach, it would be worthwhile for you to be familiar with the service and support they offer. As for WMF staff support - they can speak for themselves, but I think they are not ready to offer it. Alternatively, I do think the WMF would support a grant application from any Wikimedia community member with an institutional affiliation who could commit to being a liaison for use of this tool.

It is kind of a sticky situation! However, I am a big fan of this tool. I feel that this tool more than any other single intervention has resulted in more and deeper institutional partnerships than any other single outreach project. The calculation is subjective, but I am comfortable saying that this tool has been an essential component of Wiki NYC's recruitment of not fewer than 1000 hours of volunteer engagement including not fewer than 20% of those hours being from paid expert staff at organizations. We have had great returns with this in NYC and I expect the same for your program, even though I am continually anxious about the lack of commitment from the WMF and other stakeholders in ensuring that the tool always stays in working order and anyone with problems gets sufficient support. Blue Rasberry (talk) 18:59, 16 October 2017 (UTC)

Agree with you, Bluerasberry the PED is a great resource. I am planning to produce a short video on basics to use the tool --it'll be in Portuguese, though. I have not done before, as we have only enabled automated edits recently. --Joalpe (talk) 02:37, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

@Monikasj: Generally, we plan to support the Program and Events Dashboard around its documentation, trainings at movement events, and maintaining the existing features. There are written trainings for the dashboard on the dashboard itself. There is also a continually growing community of practice around the tool, which can be accessed through the normal community forums (Facebook groups, etc), where folks can triage problems they are having. The Community Programs team, and other teams in the Community Engagement Department at the Foundation, also think the Programs and Events dashboard will be an important tool for organizers who are organizing events and developing evaluation strategies -- so it's not going anywhere anytime soon. We plan to continue collecting feedback on this version of the tool, for if we get the opportunity to continue developing it in the future.

Feel free to ping Tighe Flanagan TFlanagan-WMF as well on the Education Team.Astinson (WMF) (talk) 20:11, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

Bluerasberry, Astinson (WMF) and Joalpe hello and wow -- my gratitude for your speedy responses to my post here and the thoughtful ideas and brainstorms. Your responses have exactly the information I needed, my many big thanks!!! Monikasj (talk) 15:24, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

Wikimedia Project Grant Applicants

Sejal khatri (User: Sek2016)
Hello Everyone! I am Sejal Khatri, I work on the Wikimedia Programs & Events Dashboard project. In the past I have developed the user profile pages and worked on enhancing the overall usability of the Dashboard. It has been an exciting experience for me to work on an impactful project with amazing people. That's why, I plan on continuing my work on the Dashboard project by the means of Wikimedia project grant. It would be great if you could give some feedback to strengthen my application. Link to my Proposal. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sek2016 (talk) 18:21, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

French link not supported ?

Hi there, I'm trying to setup in french my own program but all articles added are modified in en: instead of staying within the french wikipedia. I tried by copying full link or by selecting de language. Each time, after a refrech, the link is modified as en: ...

My program : https://outreachdashboard.wmflabs.org/courses/UCL/Venez_Contribuer

One of my editor : w:fr:Utilisateur:Emmanuelle_FLE

And a link towards a modified article by this user : w:fr:Linguistique_de_corpus

Tks for the help Ogoletti (talk) 12:53, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

@Ogoletti: Hey. Not sure I got what you are saying. I looked onto your list of articles and they all redirect to French Wikipedia. --Joalpe (talk) 16:29, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

@Joalpe: On my /articles page, the link to the project page appear as (en:Wikipédia:Programme d'éducation Benelux/UCLouvain/Semaine contributive 2017-2018) but redirects indeed towards the french wiki. It's also shown as not existing. At first I thought that this meant that the edits were not taken into account, but it seems that now, it's working better. And I see now, that an article that I modified is also mentionned, without me adding it to the project. So all the editors subscribed to the program will have all their modifications listed on the project page ? Without having to 'assign' articles ? Thanks ! Ogoletti (talk) 07:57, 15 November 2017 (UTC)

add languages

Also, for another program (https://outreachdashboard.wmflabs.org/courses/UCL_-_Institut_des_langues_vivantes/Wikithon_multilingue) I'd like to add follow up of edits on other language wikipedia. The option was available when creating the program, but not anymore in the edit tool. Any tips ? Ogoletti (talk) 07:42, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

If you are wanting to capture activity on multiple wikis/languages, make sure that you have at least one "assigned" or "available" article from the languages you wish to include. It looks like you have English and Japanese articles listed now. Each program will have a "home" wiki, which is the default it will use, but having more languages listed will force it to look at those wikis too. Hope this helps -- does that answer your question? Tighe Flanagan (WMF) (talk) 14:40, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

New name / design

Hello all!

As I have become a heavy user of the Dashboard, I have realized it is --at least in Portuguese-- too hard to use the full name of the tool (Programs & Events Dashboard). Moreover, it makes little sense to say the name of the tool in Portuguese (Painel de controle), as this is not the name of the tool on the website --plus, the name on the site (Outreach Dashboard) is different from the name on-wiki (Programs & Events Dashboard). This is confusing, IMHO.

I suggest we consolidate an 'international' name for the tool --maybe just 'Dashboard'. What do you think?

Moreover, it'd be nice if we could come up with a logo for the tool. I guess we should wait for discussing the name of the tool before we do the logo.

Any thoughts on these issues? Thanks all. --Joalpe (talk) 03:15, 1 October 2017 (UTC)

Joalpe I agree, I would like to change the name. "Dashboard" is better but maybe that name is too general.

I think that comparable tools for other media platforms include Tweetdeck, Hootsuite, and en:Sprinklr. There are lots of these tools and professional management of online communities is a major business sector. If we rename this, then I think that the name should reflect the various groups which use this tool:

• Wikipedia community groups and chapters who are doing in-person peer to peer outreach
• Expert partner institutions, such as in science, medicine, the arts, or museums, which are sharing their expertise on Wikipedia and using the tool to track the impact
• Universities, which have student groups as new editors under professors who mostly are unfamiliar with Wikipedia editing
• Researchers who set up instances of this tool without engaging with editors at all, but who want information on what Wikipedia editors do

The name "Dashboard works". I think that I prefer the term "wiki" somewhere in the name, like "WikiDashboard" or "WikiDash". Riffing off other familiar names, it could be "WikiDeck" or "WikiSuite". There are already tools called "WikiMetrics", but I think that the dashboard is a better use for that term than the current tool set called by that name.

Whatever name we choose, it should be accessible, and easy to say because lots of people will have to speak it outloud, and the words have to be easy to say in all languages because this tool already has multilingual support. Do you have other suggestions to consider? I agree with you about the logo. This project needs a logo because I can easily imagine hundreds of media professionals showing the logo in routine media presentations all organizations throughout the world, perpetually. Someday Wikipedia engagement will grow professionally in the same way that all universities, etc have staff investments in twitter, Facebook, blogging, and the rest, and the dashboard provides the metrics justification for putting stafftime in Wiki engagement. Blue Rasberry (talk) 13:20, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

Refresh of the statistics

Hello there,

It's me again.

We began our contributive week here at UCL but the tool doesn't seem to take the articles into account. I don't know if there is a delay before the numbers are updated.

But here some articles were created and updated and it's not shown in the stats. It's just enough to take a look at the recent contributions of w:fr:AuCeCla. But there is no mention of those articles on the program page.

Thanks for the help Ogoletti (talk) 17:41, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

To be clear, my program page on outreach is  : https://outreachdashboard.wmflabs.org/courses/UCL/Venez_Contribuer and the stats I talk about are those at the top. Ogoletti (talk) 07:42, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

There is often a delay in refreshing the numbers. If you still don't see numbers that look accurate after 24 hours please let us know! Also, make sure your start and end dates/times are accurate just to be safe. Tighe Flanagan (WMF) (talk) 14:36, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

Hi @TFlanagan-WMF:, if you take a look on the program page, you can read (in small on the right under the stats) : According to the last system update. Last update: 4 days ago. And it wasn't indeed updated since monday. I read here : Programs_&_Events_Dashboard/Using_the_Dashboard#Metrics_and_tracking that I had to wait 24h, that's why I asked. I found here : [1] and here : [2] that a '/manual_update' should work, but it didn't on my page... It should be doable though.... Any more info on this ? Thanks Ogoletti (talk) 08:34, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

@Ogoletti and TFlanagan-WMF: Hi. There seems to be a delay, indeed. My course page informs me no update has taken place in the last 4 days, though I know statistics should have changed as new content was produced. I have reported this through the "Report a problem" tab. --Joalpe (talk) 14:35, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

I experience the same problem too with lags of up to 1-2 days. I'm not sure what "last update" is supposed to mean, but it certainly doesn't mean "these are the up-to-date stats as at that time". The curious thing is that if you download an activity spreadsheet, it often does contain the more recent activity but this isn't reflected in the "headline numbers" on the dashboard. One of the problems with the dashboard is that the program participants know about it and they like to check it at the end of a session and they expect it to be up-to-date. They know that article histories and user contributions are always up-to-date so they don't quite understand why the dashboard (which after all is just an aggregation of users and articles) isn't. If we hosted dashboard on individual Wikipedias rather than Meta, could we get the dashboards to run closer to real-time? Kerry Raymond (talk) 21:49, 3 March 2018 (UTC)