Stewards/confirm/2009/Jusjih

The 2009 steward elections are finished. No further votes will be accepted.

Jusjih

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English:

• Languages: zh-TW, zh-CN-3, en-3, fr-1, ja-0 (may read kanji), ko-0 (may read hanja)
• Personal info: I became a steward after the December 2007 election with very wide supports. I am an administrator on Meta, Wikimedia Commons (also bureaucrat), Multilingual Wikisource, English Wikisource, Chinese Wikisource (also bureaucrat), English Wikipedia, Chinese Wikipedia, English Wiktionary, Chinese Wiktionary (also bureaucrat), English Wikiquote (also checkuser), Chinese Wikiquote (also bureaucrat). Being an administrator on 11 Wikimedia sites plus non-Wikimedia Wikilivres:, including being a bureaucrat on 4 Wikimedia sites and a checkuser on 1 Wikimedia site, is very busy, but I like to serve fellow users as much as I can and I am willing to continue serving. I am mostly active on Chinese Wikisource, but I also normally visit other sites with my administrator flag at least once a week. Right here on Meta, my most applied steward task is to promote new bots, but sometimes I also check Steward requests/Checkuser.

português:

• Línguas: zh-TW, zh-CN-3, en-3, fr-1, ja-0 (may read kanji), ko-0 (may read hanja)
• Informações pessoais: Eu me tornei um steward na eleição de Dezembro de 2007 com bastante apoio. Sou administrador do Meta, Wikimedia Commons (onde também sou burocrata), Wikisource em inglês, Wikisource em chinês (onde também sou burocrata), Wikipédia em inglês, Wikipédia em chinês, Wikicionário em inglês, Wikicionário em chinês (onde também sou burocrata), Wikiquote em inglês (onde também sou checkuser) e Wikiquote em chinês (onde também sou burocrata). Ser administrador em 11 projectos wikis (se contarmos com o projecto não pertencente a fundação Wikilivres:), burocrata em 4 e checkuser em 1 dá bastante trabalho, mas eu gosto de servir tantos utilizadores quanto eu puder e estou disposto a continuar a fazê-lo. Eu sou mais activo no wikisource em chinês, mas visito regularmente os outros sites onde sou administrador (pelo menos uma vez por semana). Aqui no meta, minhas principais tarefas como steward é dar estatuto de bot, mas algumas vezes também faço algumas verificações.

русский:

• Языки: zh-TW, zh-CN-3, en-3, fr-1, ja-0 (may read kanji), ko-0 (may read hanja)
• Личная информация: Я стал стюардом в декабре 2007 года, получив широкую поддержку. Я администратор на Мете, на Коммонс (и бюрократ), многоязычной Викитеке, англоязычной Викитеке, китайской викитеке (также бюрократ), в англоязычной Википедии, китайской Википедии, английском Викисловаре, китайском Викисловаре (также бюрократ), англоязычном Викицитатнике (также чекюзер), китайском Викицитатнике (также бюрократ). Быть администратором 11 сайтов Викимедиа плюс невикимедийного Wikilivres:, включая работу бюрократа на четырёх сайтах Викимедии и чекюзера на одном сайте Викимедии, очень времязатратно, но я люблю помогать пользователям, кака могу, и я готов продолжать заниматься обслуживанием. Больше всего я активен в китайской Викитеке, но я также обычно посещаю и другие сайты, в которых у меня есть администраторский флаг, хотя бы раз в неделю. Здесь, на мете, моей обычной стюардской задачей является содействие реализации новых ботов, то я также просматриваю Steward requests/Checkuser.

中文（简体）:

• 可说语言: zh-TW, zh-CN-3, en-3, fr-1, ja-0 (may read kanji), ko-0 (may read hanja)
• 个人资料: 我在2007年12月选举有广泛支持成为监管员。我是元维基、维基共享资源（也是行政员）、多语维基文库、中文维基文库（也是行政员）、英语维基文库、中文维基百科、英语维基百科、中文维基词典（也是行政员）、英语维基词典、中文维基语录（也是行政员）、英语维基语录（也是用户查核）管理员。身为11处维基媒体网站加上非维基媒体Wikilivres:管理员，包括身为4处维基媒体网站行政员以及1处维基媒体网站用户查核，非常繁忙，但我乐意继续尽力服务广泛用户。我通常在中文维基文库活跃，但我一般一星期至少一次访问其他有管理员身份网站。这里元维基，我通常行使的监管员权限是批准新机器人，但有时我也检查监管员查核用户请求。

中文（繁體）:

• 可說語言: zh-TW, zh-CN-3, en-3, fr-1, ja-0 (may read kanji), ko-0 (may read hanja)
• 個人資料: 我在2007年12月選舉有廣泛支持成爲監管員。我是元維基、維基共享資源（也是行政員）、多語維基文庫、中文維基文庫（也是行政員）、英語維基文庫、中文維基百科、英語維基百科、中文維基詞典（也是行政員）、英語維基詞典、中文維基語錄（也是行政員）、英語維基語錄（也是用戶查核）管理員。身為11處維基媒體網站加上非維基媒體Wikilivres:管理員，包括身為4處維基媒體網站行政員以及1處維基媒體網站用戶查核，非常繁忙，但我樂意繼續盡力服務廣泛用戶。我通常在中文維基文庫活躍，但我一般一星期至少一次訪問其他有管理員身份網站。這裡元維基，我通常行使的監管員權限是批准新機器人，但有時我也檢查監管員查核用戶請求。

Comments about Jusjih

• I think I'd prefer Jusjih to be removed. I don't believe he understands fully what the job is for (i.e. not for assisting with Commons work). Besides, he's made barely any rights changes at all, compared to some. Majorly ^talk 00:37, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

  Please do take a look at Global deleted image review: "Commons administrators have dealt with the need to evaluate deleted image pages on multiple wikis in a number of ways:" "Asking stewards to grant temporary adminship on other wikis, which potentially may feel like an infringement of the local community. The steward policy is silent on if this is a legitimate use of the tools, in particular when users who are both Commons admins and stewards give themselves temporary adminship on other wikis." This problem already existed when I became a steward. When I was not fully sure, I did try to ask other senior stewards first before any actions until you came to my talk page on 2008-02-04 with possibly unfriendly tone to raise your objection. When I tried to asked Rdsmith4 again, you seemed to follow my tail and gave persuasive talk that would solve nothing [1]. On 2008-03-27, I started "Requesting helps from local Wiki sysops or bureaucrats with language barriers" to express my concerns. Since you moved it to Requesting help from local Wiki sysops or bureaucrats with language barriers, I suppose that you may have read it somewhat. When your adminship here was to be confirmed on 2008-04-01, I started a comment about w:Wikipedia:BITE and w:WP:AGF, as suggested by RfA Candidate's Song, you were unsure [2]. I neither supported nor opposed your continued adminship here, and you should consider it a courtesy better than opposing. On 2008-06-04, I started Global deleted image review to hopefully solve the radical problem. This time, What exactly do you mean "I don't believe he understands fully what the job is for". After all, I never intend to knowingly and willfully violate steward policies that have gray zones. I hope that you understand everything better, including w:Wikipedia:BITE and w:WP:AGF, as suggested by RfA Candidate's Song. Thanks.--Jusjih 03:39, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

  WP:BITE is for newcomers, not for seasoned regular editors. I think if you had opposed me, because I pointed out your misuse of steward tools, would have been incredibly petty. Majorly ^talk 16:07, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

  I've been talking to someone about this and my position is firmly to remove as a steward. Far too inactive and not as interested for my liking, and the above speech demonstrates a lack of clue: what does the RFA song have to do with anything, and why would a lack of an oppose be a "courtesy"? Seriously, I have no idea what you're talking about there, but it sounds rather poorly thought out and confused. I'm sorry. Majorly ^talk 05:04, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

  Guys, cool down a bit. Jusjih came across as a thoughtful and serious person in Chinese wikisource. I think he is from Taiwan where there is a linguistic and cultural norm different to that of England. Try to understand each other instead of talking over each other. Or maybe we can turn the whole thing around around and Majorly can try to use Chinese in this discussion and see how it goes.:-) Hillgentleman 05:26, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

• Doesn't seem to do much of anything? Perhaps remove? Prodego ^talk 03:32, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
• Per Majorly, he made more self rights changes for his work related to his homewiki than any other steward which he shouldn't have done and basically we expected much more from him :( ..--Cometstyles 03:38, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

  Please see my comment to Majorly above. I consider the past problem due to technical inefficiency, not due to knowing and willful errors.--Jusjih 03:39, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

• Remove, I think; stewards are supposed to steer clear of their home wiki. Stifle 14:44, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

  [3] suggests English Wikipedia to be my home wiki where I do not apply steward tasks as many other users already do locally.

• Probably remove - too many local wiki rights really + inactive. --Herby ^{talk thyme} 15:46, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

  I would like to say that the Stewards policy is not always clear as I do try to assume good faith. For example, what exactly are home wikis? There are gray zones. How active do you really want while ""Inactive" means no steward action in the past 6 months and less than 10 steward actions in the last year."--Jusjih 15:56, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

• I'm sorry, you are too spread-out to give the steward tools and tasks the attention they deserve.  — Mike.lifeguard | ^@en.wb 17:04, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

  After the tit-for-tat attitude shown above and reiterated in private correspondence, I do not support keeping Jusjih as a steward. Just a reaffirmation of my prior opinion - there are two strong reasons now.  — Mike.lifeguard | ^@en.wb 03:07, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

•  Support to confirm, -jkb- 13:27, 2 February 2009 (UTC)- - - Reasons (added): It is not only because of the language preferences of Jusjih, which are pretty important. I know Jusjih since about 2005 from the work in the Wikisources (namely Oldwikisource) where he is doing a quite important job and he should make it in the future also with the flag of a steward. Might be - like Hillgentleman says - he is a bit unorthodox, but he knows what he is doing. -jkb- 16:53, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
• I confirm. because of linguistic problems. Users using Chinese or its variants, Japanese, Korean are over 500,000. but only has 1 stewards. I won't accept stewards are all Germanic or Romance language speaker.--Kwj2772 13:39, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
• Keep - Seems active enough to me and I'm sure what is said above will be taken into consideration by Jusjih. Kwj2772 also makes an excellent point; we need more Stewards, not fewer, with the language proficiency that Jusjih has. COI - I'm also up for confirmation. --Daniel Mayer (mav) 03:32, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
• Keep The arguments in favor of removing fail to address the need to have stewards able to navigate Asian writing. I also agree with Mav, above, we need more Stewards, not fewer. bastique ^demandez! 19:35, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

  We're going to gain at least half a dozen more. Majorly ^talk 04:59, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

  I don't think so. If the trend continues, you need at least two more years for that to happen. Hillgentleman 05:36, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

•  Support --oscar 22:53, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
• The steward team would suffer if there is no steward on hand who knows Chinese characters. I think Jusjih's way of using steward tools is unorthodox. My questions to Jusjih are whether what he did could have been done without the steward tools, and if so, is it a lot or a little more cumbersome; and did he violate any local policy in the process. Hillgentleman 16:22, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
•  Support ---Zyephyrus 22:14, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
• Best keep, we need more Eastern script capable stewards. Kylu 03:58, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
•  Support --Albamhandae 07:25, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
• Remove fr33kman ^{t - c} 05:26, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
• Remove Mikhailov Kusserow (talk) 04:24, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
•  Support per -jkb-, mav and bastique. Unorthodox may not harm per se. And he knows to talk with others and is accountable when he is asked. Best keep. --Aphaia 01:01, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
•  Support Steward who knows Chinese is needed :-) --Elijah/אליהו (Eliyahu)/إلياس (Ilyas) (Me!) 16:27, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
• Keep Active enough with significant language skills. --Millosh 13:20, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
• Keep--Shizhao 14:01, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
• don't know what to do. Low activity and Majorly's comments on one side vs good-faith-ness and occasional good actions on the other. --FiliP × 17:43, 21 February 2009 (UTC)