Requests for new languages/Wiktionary Multimedia

main page Request for a new language edition: Wiktionary Multimedia
submitted verification final decision
Process-stop.svg This proposal has been rejected.
This decision was taken by the language committee in accordance with the Language proposal policy based on the discussion on this page.

A committee member provided the following comment:

Not a language. See below. --MF-W 10:21, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
  • The community needs to develop an active test project; it must remain active until approval (automated statistics, recent changes). It is generally considered active if the analysis lists at least three active, not-grayed-out editors listed in the sections for the previous few months.
  • The community needs to complete required MediaWiki interface translations in that language (about localization, translatewiki, check completion).
  • The community needs to discuss and complete the settings table below:
What Value Example / Explanation
Proposal
Language code zxx (SILGlottolog) A valid ISO 639-1 or 639-3 language code, like "fr", "de", "nso", ...
Language name Multimedia Language name in English
Language name Nuvola multimedia.png Language name in your language. This will appear in the language list on Special:Preferences, in the interwiki sidebar on other wikis, ...
Language Wikidata item Q131765 - item has currently the following values:
  • en label = multimedia
  • native label (P1705) =
  • instance/subclass (P31/P279) = genre / electronic media
  • Wikimedia language code (P424) =
  • writing system (P282) =
  • number of speakers (P1098) =


Item about the language at Wikidata. It would normally include the Wikimedia language code, name of the language, etc. Please complete at Wikidata if needed.
Directionality no indication Is the language written from left to right (LTR) or from right to left (RTL)?
Links Links to previous requests, or references to external websites or documents.
Settings
Project name Wiktionary-logo-portal.svg "Wiktionary" in your language
Project namespace usually the same as the project name
Project talk namespace "Wiktionary talk" (the discussion namespace of the project namespace)
Enable uploads no Default is "no". Preferably, files should be uploaded to Commons.
If you want, you can enable local file uploading, either by any user ("yes") or by administrators only ("admin").
Notes: (1) This setting can be changed afterwards. The setting can only be "yes" or "admin" at approval if the test creates an Exemption Doctrine Policy (EDP) first. (2) Files on Commons can be used on all Wikis. (3) Uploading fair-use images is not allowed on Commons (more info). (4) Localisation to your language may be insufficient on Commons.
Optional settings
Project logo File:Wiktionary-logo-portal.svg This needs to be an SVG image (instructions for logo creation).
Default project timezone Etc/UTC "Continent/City", e.g. "Europe/Brussels" or "America/Mexico City" (see list of valid timezones)
Additional namespaces For example, a Wikisource would need "Page", "Page talk", "Index", "Index talk", "Author", "Author talk".
Additional settings Anything else that should be set
submit phabricator task (includes everything automatically, except additional namespaces/settings)


ProposalEdit

Currently, all wiktionary projects are trying to explain words in one languages using words in either the language itself or using words in other languages.

For illiterate or barely literate users, including people who have not received sufficient education, have disability, young kids, or new foreign language learners, it might not be the best approach to explain words using other words that they might not know. Show them the concept non-verbally using multimedia might be a better approach, just like some pictorial dictionaries around.

In addition, sometimes some concepts are really difficult to explain through words, and it's better to show readers seeking to understand them using images or video or audio chips, especially for noun and verb and onomatopoeia and also some other words.

Note 1: Currently, some wiktionary articles have already been decorated with multimedia images/video/audio chips, however their functionality are mainly to help explaining the concept instead of trying to show the concept without relying on languages, and those multimedia addition are also limited to a few specific phases in a few language editions, which is bad for both expected use cases as described above, user access, and contribution. Having a separate project for these resources can centralize these efforts.

Note 2: xzz is the ISO 639 language code for non-linguistic content.

--C933103 (talk) 10:38, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

@C933103: Currently langcom member think that this request should be rejected, and a separate PNP request would be better. If you don't think so, feel free to write down your responds. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 12:08, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
But according to PNP's guideline, it ask to consider before proposing a new project, that does it "Need a dedicated project? Think well. Maybe your proposal fits better into one of the existing projects, for example, Wikipedia, Wikibooks, or Commons?". I think it is a reasonable question to ask since it cost much more time and effort to setup a whole new wikiproject than a separate version of existing language project. The proposed Multimedia Wiktionary here would work somewhat like Wikisource Old, which isn't a language in itself but it doesn't really make sense to treat it as a separate wikiproject than other wikisource versions. But I can also see how this would be outside the scope of Language Commottee's task. I think it is necessary to either widen the scooe of language committee or have some other committee to make the decision? C933103 (talk) 18:21, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
@Sotiale: So, this is the requestor's respond, will this be an accept exception of Wiktionary based on this respond? --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 06:30, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
It is not a language. Wiktionary is a dictionary bringing its information in the language it is dedicated to. Nobody "speaks" the language, there will be no localisation possible. It does not qualify. Thanks, GerardM (talk) 12:58, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
Agreed. For "multimedia", we already have Commons... --MF-W 21:08, 16 May 2021 (UTC)