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Discuss the creation of this language project on this page. Votes will be ignored when judging the proposal. Please provide arguments or reasons and be prepared to defend them (see the Language proposal policy).

The language committee needs to verify the language is eligible to be approved.

  • Check that the project does not already exist (see list).
  • Obtain an ISO 639 code
  • Ensure the requested language is sufficiently unique that it could not exist on a more general wiki.
  • Ensure that there are a sufficient number of native editors of that language to merit an edition in that language.
  • The community needs to develop an active test project; it must remain active until approval (automated statistics, recent changes). It is generally considered active if the analysis lists at least three active, not-grayed-out editors listed in the sections for the previous few months.
  • The community needs to complete required MediaWiki interface translations in that language (about localization, translatewiki, check completion).
  • The community needs to discuss and complete the settings table below:
What Value Example / Explanation
Proposal
Language code bal (SIL, Glottolog) A valid ISO 639-1 or 639-3 language code, like "fr", "de", "nso", ...
Language name Balochi Language name in English
Language name بلۏچی Language name in your language. This will appear in the language list on Special:Preferences, in the interwiki sidebar on other wikis, ...
Language Wikidata item Q33049 - item has currently the following values:
 Item about the language at Wikidata. It would normally include the Wikimedia language code, name of the language, etc. Please complete at Wikidata if needed.
Directionality RTL Is the language written from left to right (LTR) or from right to left (RTL)?
Links Links to previous requests, or references to external websites or documents.
Site URL bal.wikipedia.org langcode.wikiproject.org

Settings
Project name ویکی پدیا "Wikipedia" in your language
Project namespace ویکی پدیا usually the same as the project name
Project talk namespace ویکی پدیا گپ "Wikipedia talk" (the discussion namespace of the project namespace)
Enable uploads yes Default is "no". Preferably, files should be uploaded to Commons.
If you want, you can enable local file uploading, either by any user ("yes") or by administrators only ("admin").
Notes: (1) This setting can be changed afterwards. The setting can only be "yes" or "admin" at approval if the test creates an Exemption Doctrine Policy (EDP) first. (2) Files on Commons can be used on all Wikis. (3) Uploading fair-use images is not allowed on Commons (more info). (4) Localisation to your language may be insufficient on Commons.
Optional settings
Project logo File:Balochi_Wiki.png This needs to be an SVG image (instructions for logo creation).
Default project timezone "Continent/City", e.g. "Europe/Brussels" or "America/Mexico City" (see list of valid timezones)
Additional namespaces For example, a Wikisource would need "Page", "Page talk", "Index", "Index talk", "Author", "Author talk".
Additional settings Anything else that should be set
Once settings are finalized, a committee member will submit a Phabricator task requesting creation of the wiki. (This will include everything automatically, except the additional namespaces/settings.) After the task is created, it should be linked to in a comment under "final decision" above.

Proposal

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Balochi is a Northwestern Iranian language. It is the principal language of the Baloch of Balochistan It is also spoken as a second language by Brahuis. It is designated as one of nine official languages of Pakistan and also on of Iranian ethnic languages. Yet there is no single project for this language (which has over 15 million speaker)in Iran - Pakitan- Oman - Turkmenistan - Afghanistan - Gulf States - Sweden and other countries. This project will use Urdu Arabic script-based alphabet. The first collection of poetry in Balochi, Gulbang by Mir Gul Khan Nasir was published in 1951 and incorporated the Urdu Arabic Script. But it was much later that Sayad Zahurshah Hashemi wrote a comprehensive guidance on the usage of Urdu Arabic script and standardized it as the Balochi Orthography in Pakistan. This earned Sayad Hashemi the title of 'the Father of Balochi'. Sayad's guidances are widely used in Eastern and Western Balochistan. In Afghanistan, however, Balochi is written in a modified Arabic script based on what is used for Farsi.. We are a group of Baloch writers determined to make this project a persuasive one. We appreciate Wikipedia administration cooperation.

Discussion

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After getting no response (either in favor or against) from the administrators of Wikipedia, i tried to request for the Eastern Balochi (bgp) test project. But that lead me back to this page. I wonder whether one shall produce content with Wp/bal/ prefix or wait until administrators reach to any conclusion? Or, we add pages to Wp/bgp/ prefix? And, what will be the fate of those content pages once any particular request is declined? -- Imdadb 07:23, 9 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Comments/Questions

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Now this request is already 10th anniversary, but still nothing happened yet. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 07:25, 3 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Arguments in favour

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  • The current Souther Balochi (bcc) test wiki is in Arabic script. It will be better if test wiki with Latin script is initiated. Speakers of the language living in diaspora and bulk of the speakers of the Eastern dialect would prefer Latin. --Imdadb 18:27, 28 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • The Dilemma of Balochi Wikipedia: What i notice is that the language being used in bcc (Southern Balochi) test wiki is not the Southern dialect itself. All of the content is in Western (much more Persian) dialect. Baloch (the user requesting for another test wiki for Balochi) speaks the Southern dialect. We (our family) is also bilingual, second language at our home is Balochi (the Eastern dialect). I also support the effort of some people for standardizing Latin script for Balochi language. Please solve the dilemma and give opportunity to this group of a people (mostly belonging to Southern dialect and some of them with Eastern dialect) to form a joint wiki for them using Latin script. Regards, --Imdadb 11:48, 3 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I will Support the Balochi language test-wiki.... Ibrahim khashrowdi (talk) 13:30, 2 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I will support a unified Balochi Wikipedia. The community can discuss the vocabulary and other issues later on.--Satdeep Gill (talk) 17:11, 21 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Satdeep Gill: Doubtful, if by checking an archived discussion of your talk page, it seems that there are having very big differents between Eastern, Southern and Western Balochi, I would second that guy that differents between these three are like differents between French, German and Spanish (that guy also claims that the differents are like "rugby, football and soccer" which made me nervous). --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 06:19, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I will support western balucbi language test wiki I have a notice this notice is All baluchi dialect add on Official Baluchi language at bal. I think that both wikis are good ideas, and would support them both 5.215.207.87 10:46, 1 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • -- Support Balochi has several million speakers and the difference between the dialects isn't great. By dividing the project into three other projects, we'd be only achieving a shrunken targer population and decrease the chance of gaining an active contributor community. TerranBoy (talk) 13:46, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    @TerranBoy If so then we should try to merge French, Spanish and Portuguese Wikipedias into one, right? Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 10:14, 22 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    @Liuxinyu970226 You telling the joke,
    Balochi is our language and we know what is it, Balochi like other great languages have different dialects for speaking, like Persian in Iran have some dialects like, Sistani,Tabari,Lari,Shirazi,Mashhadi,Tajiki,Dari and others its while in Afghanistan Dari is official and in Tajikistan Tajiki is official language but most of writers using one Main Persian
    Balochi complettely like this
    All of Balochi writers using one Main Balochi that most of Balochi spokesman can understand it Even we says رݔدگݔن بلۏچی in Balochi
    @TerranBoy Than you very much.
    Moshtank (talk) 18:56, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Nskoalj (talk) 20:38, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Arguments aganist

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  • Oppose The bal is a macrolanguage code which is itself confusing, we don't yet know how this Wp/bal is writting in which form, Eastern? Western or Southern? --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 04:39, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Per @Liuxinyu970226:, this is wrong behavior to start a macrolanguage project when member language codes are already available. --223.104.7.104 22:39, 18 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Dear @Liuxinyu970226
    Its rights that Balochi have many dialects if we creates Wikipedia for all dialects of Balochi we cant to do it, because there have more than ten dialects, and all of dialects just for speaking not writing and reading, In Balochistan all of writers using one Main Balochi and most of Balochi language spokesman can understand it
    Don't need to creates Wikipedia for others dialects
    If be and had some people we can just creates 3 other Wikipedia for Southern,Eastern and Western Balochi
    Moshtank (talk) 18:48, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    @Moshtank Have you read your I:AN thread? Where an Incubator administrator replied you that bal isn't available et al? Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 00:20, 16 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    I have cantacting with SIL department
    I tells my mistakes to them they tells us use ISO639-2 code for Working on Main Balochi but here you and other admins dosn't allow us to using bal as ISO639-2 code
    Actually we want go with sorts and ISO639-2 is after than ISO639-3 code and first time you must accept ISO639-2 code and if we as Balochi activist dosn't confirm bal and ISO639-2 so you can use ISO639-3 and macrolanguage codes.
    Moshtank (talk) 04:45, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Still confusing, Wikimedia language projects use ISO 639-3 codes (unless if 639-1 codes are available in sometimes), not 639-2 codes, I dunno why are you asking for somewhat 639-2 changing? Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 11:13, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Ok, actually most writers like us using one Main Balochi that is not Southern,Western or Eastern and most of Balochi spokesman can understand it
    I working on bcc code for times that Infoterm accept our request and set new ISO639-1 code for Balochi
    and I have a question if bcc wikipedia created and then after a time Infotern accept our request bcc articles and other contents can move to new ISO639-1 code?
    Moshtank (talk) 18:24, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    @Liuxinyu970226 Can you answer me? Moshtank (talk) 18:03, 21 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    @Moshtank I don't have times on handling such matters unless 1. you can describe what are you willing to do, and 2. there are changes from the SIL department affects the iso639-3:bal, unless both are happened, there's nothing to do for me, for Incubator, and for the whole WMF. Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 04:50, 22 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    You dosn't understood me.
    My question is that if we works now on bcc and another time SIL or Infoterm set a new code for Main Balochi you and other admins can move contents from bcc to new WikipediA?
    Moshtank (talk) 07:07, 22 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Renaming a wiki subdomain can be very hard, see reasons at, ehh, phab:T172035? Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 10:58, 22 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    @Liuxinyu970226 Dear, I think you didn't understood yet.
    In Translate wikimedi platforms Adminsitrators tell me that i translate with bcc untill SIL or Infoterm set a new ISO639 code for main Balochi and the time has set new code they will copy translates to new code.
    Now I want to know if we works on bcc(Southern Balochi) and accepts bcc by administrators and creates bcc.wikipedia.org so SIL or Infoterm set a new code for Main Balochi
    Copies articles from bcc to new code will be easy or we must to do this copy manually?
    Moshtank (talk) 13:56, 22 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    @Moshtank And how do you even understand what you have said above? Without considering grammar issues, all of what you're concerned above are directly pointed to SIL issues instead of Incubator. Some days ago I asked SIL that where are 2023 requests, and their staff responded yesterday that "There will be a revision of 639 published in the coming weeks which will modify the change request process. In anticipation of this, we will not be publishing the requests submitted in 2023 yet, as we expect that to be done in collaboration with an ISO 639 Maintenance Agency." Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 00:25, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Sorry my English level is low,
    I has been request from SIL new codes, I tells they should set a new ISO639-3 code for Main Balochi language near Southern,Eastern and Western
    Or set a new ISO639 with tow letters.
    They told me they checking requests and will answets me soon.
    Moshtank (talk) 05:59, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Dear @Liuxinyu970226
    I writted some Articles in bcc incubator,
    If SIL publishes new ISO639-3 code for Main Balochi
    Its can be Moevs articles from bcc to new iso639-3 code automatically or we must copies them manually?
    Moshtank (talk) 06:07, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    @Liuxinyu970226 Dear!
    I contacting with SIL registrars the telling me bal code is for Main Balochi and an ISO639-3 code and we can use from bal near bcc,bgp and bgn
    Moshtank (talk) 07:09, 5 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Okay, but even you said so many inputs, my opposition is here and fixed here, you failed to try so. Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 03:32, 11 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Balochi: dialect problem

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Hello, I think it needs to write in Western Balochi, because is the most spoken dialect.--TayfunEt. (talk) 16:24, 30 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, Balochi have some dialects but near have a Main Balochi that all writers using Main Balochi
I don't say delete dialects but we must have a Main Balochi Wikipedia
Moshtank (talk) 18:41, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
That said, a unified "Balochi Wikipedia" isn't possible. Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 23:54, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Can you explain why? Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 23:44, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There are many script usage differents, especially Eastern Balochi uses Latin script instead of Arabic afaik. Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 00:59, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There is a contradiction between saying "afaik", which means that you possibly know something, but you are not totally sure about it, and saying that something "isn't possible", which implies that you are unequivocally sure about it. Please don't do such things, at least in these discussions. If you don't actually know, just don't write anything. Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 10:34, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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