Requests for comment/Administrator's abuse of authority by Hégésippe Cormier in French WP
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December 5, 2020 French WP administrator Hégésippe Cormier blocked me for 24 hours[1] from editing the page of request to administartor where I put my arguments on the section where me also was mentioned because I put my arguments in English there. There is no any rule in French Wikipedia that prohibits users to communicate in language other than French. I explained my postion in English as an international language because other users will understand me better than if I translate my words in French using translator programs. But my arguments in English were removed by administrator Hégésippe Cormier and my account was blocked from the editing this page. So, I kindly ask to estimate this situation and take actions against this administrator if possible. Regards, --Interfase (talk) 14:53, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
- Hello. I think you forgot the part when you and friends of yours started edit warring on a few articles on fr-wp.
- Besides : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Competence_is_required Editors on fr-wp are expected to reasonably understand and write in French. You and a few others started an edit war on a few articles and kept debating in English, although several editors said they can't/won't use this language. Speaking English is not a requirement to edit fr-wp. And since you also started an edit war on the request to administrators, HC blocked you there for one day. Regards, - Bédévore (talk) 18:56, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
- First of all, I did not start edit warring on fr-wp articles and I do not have any friends there. When my edits in the article about Shusha were reverted I have started the discussion on the article's talk page and on the Forum. But when user Varmin raised an issue on the request to administrators accusing me in POV-pushing I wrote there and explained my position. Of course I did it in English, because I know that in French nobody will understand me. But my explanations were reverted there (that can be classified as a vandalism by the way) and when I revert this act and put my arguments back, they were reverted again and my account was blocked to edit this page only becasue that my arguments were written in English. Even now some users continue to write arguments on that talk page against me, but I cannot answer and explain them my position there because of admin's restructions. Is it fair? How can consensus be reached about the topic if admin restricted user to explain his opinion only because it is on other language? What about freedom of speech, which was talked about so much in France? --Interfase (talk) 19:16, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
- Oh I do care about freedom of speech. I made or developed articles about people who are threatened by the governement, especially editorial cartoonists and comics artists. They face serious problems because they made fun of the officials. But freedom of speech is not the freedom to write in a language when the other editors can't understand and to be involved in edit warring. - Bédévore (talk) 19:24, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
- You know that today there are a lot of programs (e.g. Google Translate) that can help to understand the text written in English. "other editors can't understand" is not a reason to remove arguments written in English and blocking the user, who wrote these arguments. Interfase (talk) 19:32, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
- Oh I do care about freedom of speech. I made or developed articles about people who are threatened by the governement, especially editorial cartoonists and comics artists. They face serious problems because they made fun of the officials. But freedom of speech is not the freedom to write in a language when the other editors can't understand and to be involved in edit warring. - Bédévore (talk) 19:24, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
- First of all, I did not start edit warring on fr-wp articles and I do not have any friends there. When my edits in the article about Shusha were reverted I have started the discussion on the article's talk page and on the Forum. But when user Varmin raised an issue on the request to administrators accusing me in POV-pushing I wrote there and explained my position. Of course I did it in English, because I know that in French nobody will understand me. But my explanations were reverted there (that can be classified as a vandalism by the way) and when I revert this act and put my arguments back, they were reverted again and my account was blocked to edit this page only becasue that my arguments were written in English. Even now some users continue to write arguments on that talk page against me, but I cannot answer and explain them my position there because of admin's restructions. Is it fair? How can consensus be reached about the topic if admin restricted user to explain his opinion only because it is on other language? What about freedom of speech, which was talked about so much in France? --Interfase (talk) 19:16, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
Closing this RfC as out of scope. Hey Interfase, please note GRFCs do not exist here to overrule local community decision – GRFCs exist here to form global policies (like introducing new global groups, removing old ones, changing rules when it may be granted, etc). In exceptional cases, it can be used to deal with issues at other projects as well, but that is always a highly exceptional measure, and not a regular tool. Cases like this one is why wikis have local procedures.
As a friendly advice: I'm pretty sure French Wikipedia has its own block appeal procedures. Use them. If your appeal was rejected, well, then it's clear at least two administrators consider the block valid, according to fr.wiki policies. In that case, there's literally nothing the global community could do here. Best, --Martin Urbanec (talk) 20:44, 6 December 2020 (UTC)