Meta:Requests for translation adminship/Akifumii

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Hi there. I am an active user on Meta using the translation extension on Special:LanguageStats. I also have an account on translatewiki.net but don't spend as much time translating over there. I understand the translation extension and have read the documentation a long time ago. Here on Meta, I am autopatrolled because of my trusted translations and helping other users. Along with Meta, I am also active on Wikipedia as a reviewer and rollbacker. As a translation administrator, I promise to stay active and fulfill my duties. — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Akifumii (talk) 22:30, 5 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

You say that you read the documentation a long time ago, though your account is less than one month ago. That would indicate to me that you had a previous existence under another username. If yes, are you prepared to list that publicly, or to a bureaucrat who will be making a decision? — billinghurst sDrewth 14:22, 6 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Please elaborate on the "duties" of translation admins which you promise to fulfill. --MF-W 17:58, 6 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Billinghurst: Sorry about that. When I meant long time ago, I meant a few weeks ago. Sorry for any confusion. Akifumii (talk) 22:02, 6 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@MF-Warburg: As a translation administrator, I would mark pages for translation, and after someone makes changes to the page, I will mark the page for translation again so translators can update the translations. I will decide when the page is ready for translation the first time and will ensure that the segmentation serves a purpose and approve (or correct) changes. My responsibility is to make sure sure that segmentation makes sense and that tagging has been proper. Akifumii (talk) 18:31, 8 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Support Has a use for the tools and will help. PiRSquared17 (talk) 19:15, 8 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- How do you know? --MF-W 21:28, 8 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  - @MF-Warburg: Akifumii has experience with translations, and said (s)he would find marking for translation useful above. He has read the documentation, so he knows how to mark pages with <translate>. May I ask if there is any reason you are so skeptical of this request? PiRSquared17 (talk) 23:45, 8 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    One month's existence seems a very quick escalation into administration tools of any rank, and is an awfully short term to be able to make an assessment that includes the right to delete works. I would prefer to see a longer term activity. The user also did not answer my question about a previous existence in these wikis, and in fact seemed to have avoided the question. — billinghurst sDrewth 00:47, 11 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    PS. to Akifumii, please don't pop into Stewards IRC channel and berate us about this decision, it is not ours to make, it is a meta bureaucrat function. That behaviour doesn't endear you to people. — billinghurst sDrewth 00:49, 11 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    
    Translation adminship does not include the right to delete. See Special:ListGroupRights#translationadmin. PiRSquared17 (talk) 00:59, 11 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    Okay, maybe my misunderstanding or poor documentation, however when the page Special:PageTranslationDeletePage says The action you have requested is limited to users in the group: Translation administrators. I am not sure what else that means but that group has delete rights. @PiRSquared17: — billinghurst sDrewth 05:48, 11 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    @Billinghurst: I tested it on a Vagrant installation. It seems that both rights are required; neither alone is sufficient. I checked the code too; it seem to check for two rights: 'delete', 'pagetranslation'. The error is misleading. This group does not allow deletion, but if you have the right to delete already, it allows deleting translations using that interface. PiRSquared17 (talk) 21:54, 11 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks, I undertook that investigation late last night, and undertook a conversation on the extension page, and have been involved in some update to the help pages. — billinghurst sDrewth 05:56, 12 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    
    @Billinghurst: Please repeat your question about my previous existence in these wikis as I probably missed it not avoided it. Akifumii (talk) 02:17, 11 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    It is still above, so no need for me to repeat it. — billinghurst sDrewth 05:48, 11 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I would also like to apologize for my persistent behavior on the Steward IRC. Thank you for catching that. Akifumii (talk) 02:34, 11 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Billinghurst: Is this answer what you were looking for? I have been here for one month and have read the documentation. I do not have any previous accounts on any Wikimedia project. When I meant I read the documentation a long time ago, I meant a few weeks ago. Sorry for any confusion. Akifumii (talk) 15:41, 11 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

To be honest, translation admin is a pretty harmless right, but bringing up an RfTA in the #wikimedia-stewards channel is a bit surprising imo... Pmlineditor (t · c · l) 07:40, 12 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

As I said before, I am sorry for my persistent behavior in the Steward IRC. I understand to not do this in the future. Akifumii (talk) 14:00, 12 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Billinghurst and MF-Warburg: What is the final decision on this? Have you come to conclusions? Akifumii (talk) 22:04, 14 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose I believe this is well-intentioned, but I'm not sure he/she is prepared. I would recommend trying more of those complex translations and preparation for translations that include things like variables and lists, and asking and working with existing translation admins as their help is needed. I have quickly checked the translation work Akifumii did, and I haven't found visible evidence for me to comfortably support the nomination at this time - actually most of what I saw are short ones such as section titles. I am not sure if Akifumii understands what kind of mess a translation admin could potentially create (with the mass updates via FuzzyBot), and how to avoid that. None of the mess a translation admin can do is irreversible, but some are very tedious to restore, even if well-intentioned. whym (talk) 06:20, 15 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
As Pmlineditor previously stated, Translation Admin is pretty harmless. As another user PiRSquared17 said that I have a use for the tools and will help. Can you explain the such damage I would cause as a Translation Admin? Akifumii (talk) 15:48, 15 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- @Whym: I would like to throw out there that PiRSquared17 is a Translation administrator. I looked at his contributions and the translations completed by this user are not very complicated nor long. What is the difference between him and me?
  I am not a translator. Most of my translation edits are importing translations or minor fixes. I'm not even very active with translation adminship currently, but I assure you I used to be. How is that relevant? PiRSquared17 (talk) 21:30, 15 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  
  @PiRSquared17: I now understand you are not a translator. I was also never a translation administrator. Whym stated that I needed to translate longer pieces of text for him to support my request for translation adminship. This is why it is relevant.
I oppose this request as well. Per Whym [FuzzyBot stuff is real, and doesn't seem to be known by the candidate], and because the behaviour of the candidate in this request makes me uncomfortable. There seems to be a too great focus on obtaining rights atm. --MF-W 22:50, 16 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I understand that FuzzyBot exists and am not just focused on obtaining rights. I am an enthusiastic person who just wants to help in the best ways possible. Akifumii (talk) 16:49, 18 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Even before this request I knew FuzzyBot was real. FuzzyBot is a bot used by the Translation administrators. The bot updates translations when the source page is changed, marks outdated translations, and deletes translation pages requested by the translation administrators. Akifumii (talk) 01:26, 19 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I'm opposing this per MF-W, because it seems that the candidate wants to collect rights, especially because xe continues to ping crats on their talk page requesting them to comment... Pmlineditor (t · c · l) 09:12, 21 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the ping. Looking at the comments here, there clearly is no consensus to grant translation adminship yet. Closed as not successful. -Barras talk 11:13, 21 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]