Wikivoyage/Lounge/Archive/2013-07

Interlingual liaisons

I and others have worried that we haven't had very good interlingual communication and coordination in our first year as a WMF project, and I've been thinking of how to change this. Long, long ago we had liaisons for each language version who would write up a little report now and then of anything interesting going on in their particular language version, to share with the broader community. We could start this again, just to check in and mention what major projects are being developed (like the table of contents banners, dynamic maps, etc.), what technical difficulties have been experienced, what project goals have been reached, or even just to let others know that great work has been done recently on a particular guide.

Would anyone be interested in this? I don't think it would need to be very formal—we could just use Wikivoyage/Summit and have a new section by the month. It would give us all a good reason to look at Meta/Wikivoyage more often. --Peter ^Talk 05:27, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

We can try this. We need some coordination anyway, because different versions slowly become technically incompatible.--Ymblanter (talk) 12:56, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Technically incompatible how? Can you give an example? Personally, I never paid much attention to the other language versions before the move to WMF; is there any particular reason we all have to remain in sync? LtPowers (talk) 13:50, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

wikivoyage:ru:Лукка, for example: If you click on the only link in the citybar template, you get to a map with various signs. Clicking then on (almost) any sign produces a name and a picture. All this is done by templates which are I believe not supported by any other language version. Well, no, there is no particular reason we should stay in sync, but it would be nice since then we could easily translate articles or collectively solve technical problems.--Ymblanter (talk) 16:08, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Ideally, we should be able to copy content from one language to another and only translate the text. Smaller language versions could also benefit from technical developments introduced on en: and de: --Atsirlin (talk) 20:31, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

I would be very much interested in such a project because I strongly believe in overall positive effects of interlanguage cooperation (sadly this has failed as far Wikipedia is concerned). Monthly reports with several sections (tech, featured articles, policies etc) would be sufficient I think. It seems that model adapted by Tech News team would be the best way to go for us. Kpjas (talk) 14:34, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

I have created a very basic version and an initial [en] report, just to see if we can get this started. It's at Wikivoyage/Summit. We will need volunteer "ambassadors" from different language versions. I don't think we need to think of that as a designated responsibility—anyone should feel welcome to contribute, and no one should feel obligated to do so. --Peter ^Talk 18:37, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, Peter! We would be happy to join. --Atsirlin (talk) 20:31, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

Multilingual statistics report

Way back in the day, we had a page, updated weekly, of multilingual statistics (old Wt page here), showing article and edit counts, numbers of new pages and new users, edits per article and per user, etc., plus a nice article count chart showing which versions grew or shrank, by how much, etc. I assume it must have been something updated by a bot. Personally, I think it would be great if we could get something like that set up here. What do others think? Texugo (talk) 13:37, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

this page looks pretty sufficient as far as statistics goes. :Kpjas (talk) 15:38, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

The problem is it is Wikitravel page, not ours.--Ymblanter (talk) 15:46, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

It would be great to resurrect this feature. I won't be of much help, though ;) --Peter ^Talk 20:14, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

sorry, my mistake - the link got missing somehow → http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikivoyage/EN/Sitemap.htm Kpjas (talk) 20:27, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Those are very helpful! --Peter ^Talk 20:57, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

en:voy's average bytes-per-article stat took a 20% jump from April to May. I wonder what could cause that. LtPowers (talk) 23:48, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

The updated current picture is shown in this page that I've created few days ago. Clearly to have an historic situation, other tool are needed. de:voy made a great work on this field (server side). You should contact them. --Andyrom75 (talk) 10:04, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

Re: the 20% jump LtPowers noticed, my best guess would be the switch from XML tags to templates in listings across all articles by Wrh2bot. --Peter ^Talk 22:10, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Did that happen in May? LtPowers (talk) 19:51, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

Yes. --Peter ^Talk 02:26, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for creating the page.--Ymblanter (talk) 06:53, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

By the way, I made manually such a list at Wikivoyage-old. --RolandUnger (talk) 06:45, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks.--Ymblanter (talk) 06:52, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Pagebanner nomenclature

According to the discussion started in en:voy, I suggest that someone from en:voy should write a brief (and agreed) rule on the Pagebanner nomenclature and spread a message on the various wiki-bar/lounges (in particular the ones that are using the Pagebanner) in order to let them know what's going on behind this renaming activity.

Personally, I've received several user's questions via talk/IRC, and maybe the same story is happening on other wikis.

Furthermore, once the policy has been written, it can be spread all over the other wikis to avoid further rework. --Andyrom75 (talk) 10:13, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

Wikidata and Phrasebooks

Let us switch to smth else. As most of you likely noticed, yesterday Wikivoyage migrated to Wikidata. A specific question which today originated at the Wikidata Project Chat is whether the phrasebooks should have separate items on Wikidata or be in the language items. For example, Vietnamese Phrasebook has currently been added to d:Q9199, which is the item for Vietnamese and contains also links to WP articles and other stuff. Another option would be to create a separate item which would only contain links for the three phrasebooks (English, Swedish, and Russian). For me the current option seems to be more reasonable, but if there is strong majority for separate items it could be implemented.--Ymblanter (talk) 07:07, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

I'm with you that the current asset is the most reasonable, otherwise instead of creating a common interlingual approach we would have a separatist project approach :-D --Andyrom75 (talk) 13:50, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Wikivoyage

Please translate it. PiRSquared17 (talk) 03:35, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

Done. --Andyrom75 (talk) 17:26, 31 July 2013 (UTC)