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New project proposal - WikiYouth: Building Open Data TogetherEdit

Hi, everyone!

I am one of the organizers of the IGF Youth Summit, a Day 0 project of the IGF 2021. As a member of the board of the Youth SIG from the Internet Society, we are trying to engage young people that are part of the internet governance ecosystem in Wikimedia projects. We delivered our first project a few months ago, but now we are trying to do something more focused and easier to learn, while trying to get more fruitful results to the Wiki community.

That is why we are proposing a Rapid Grant Contest centered in Wikidata called WikiYouth: Building Open Data Together, aiming to add relevant data to Internet Governance and youth pages. I would really appreciate it if you guys could review it and give us a few tips on how to improve the idea, and if anyone wants to help in this project, we would love an extra hand or two!

Coolest Tool Award 2021: Call for nominationsEdit

The third edition of the m:Coolest Tool Award is looking for nominations!

Tools play an essential role for the Wikimedia projects, and so do the many volunteer developers who experiment with new ideas and develop and maintain local and global solutions to support the Wikimedia communities. The Coolest Tool Award aims to recognize and celebrate the coolest tools in a variety of categories.

The awarded projects will be announced and showcased in a virtual ceremony in December. Deadline to submit nominations is October 27. More information: m:Coolest Tool Award. Thanks for your recommendations! -- 2021 Coolest Tool Academy team

Non free images with a kind of nationalist licenseEdit

Hello, everybody. In Wikipedia in Aragonese there is a category of 210 non-free images that by indication of their author, can only be used in WP in Aragonese. Aragón is a region of Spain in which only 1% of the inhabitants speak this language, while 100% speak Spanish, and there is a nationalist movement that wants to promote the use of that language (I asume that WP:AN is part of this effort). In my opinion, limiting the use of that images to the ar.wikipedia.org subdomain consists in a kind of nationalist license, and therefore is contrary to the universalist spirit of Wikipedia, whose principles are committed to defending the equality of all human beings regardless of their race, language, etc. I am aware that the copyright holder is free to share them only on WP:AN (and I know that he doesn't want to upload them to Commons); what I disagree with is that administrators of WP:AN accept this “poisoned gift”. Let's suppose the license said that “these images may be used only to illustrate biographies of white people”. We do not accept racism, but we do accept linguistic nationalism? I have asked the three active administrators of WP:AN to remove them (conversation in Spanish and Aragonese), but they are opposed to doing so. The subdomain ar.wikipedia.org does not belong to them, but to the community of wikipedia.org. I propose that Wikimedia prohibit the use of images with any kind of nationalist license in the WP:AN and in all others. Do you agree? Thank you. --Pompilos (talk) 21:14, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

It is complicated. Technically those indeed are non-free images, and while a local community might adopt an exemption doctrine policy to accept some non-free images, wmf:Resolution:Licensing policy explicitly excludes some cases from such EDPs: "An EDP may not allow material where we can reasonably expect someone to upload a freely licensed file for the same purpose, such as is the case for almost all portraits of living notable individuals.". As far as I can see those photos seem to be some old fortresses, for those one can clearly go and take a free picture. Spain also has freedom of panorama so there are no complications for photos of buildings whatsoever. One can also request a grant to organise a Wikiexpedition to make such photos. The problem is though that there is no good solution what to do in such cases. Unfortunately at the moment there is no group such as global image reviewers who would be authorised to perform license checks "from outside" the community, and even if there was such group it is complicated what its dynamics should've been vs local administrators, especially in cases when administrators disagree. --Base (talk) 23:30, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

I proposed a wiki where global user data will be located atEdit

I have proposed a wiki of global user data, GlobalWiki. If the WMF creates it, then they may want to move all global user data from Meta-Wiki to GlobalWiki. Meta does not have a name summarising that it is where global user data is located at; it is for documentation and discussion of Wikimedia projects.

From TylerMagee (talk) 20:08, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

@TylerMagee: Sounds like a solution in search of a problem. If it is the name that is an issue, we can get an alias created. This wiki is already set up as a central server in terms of where all accounts are created along with loginwiki, where we coordinate all WMF xwiki actions and discussions, so what you are proposing is replicating everything that already exists, or further splitting out what is already coordinated, and you have not explained any benefits, any features, or any means to resolve the problems that you would be creating. Also to note that aspects of global preferences are already created and centralised. Some reference pages: SUL · Global blocks · Global user pages  — billinghurst sDrewth 02:00, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

Nouveau livre sur le mouvement Wikimédia / New book on the Wikimedia movementEdit

Bonjour, je reviens vers vous pour vous communiquer l'avancement de mes travaux et vous les soumettre à relecture, critique et commentaire. Il s'agit cette fois d'un livre intitulé Le mouvement Wikimédia dont je viens de terminer la mise en page sur Wikilivres dans le but d'en produire un éventuel ouvrage papier. Une belle fin de journée à tous et merci d'avance pour ceux qui cliquerons sur le lien.

Hello, I'm coming back to you to tell you the progress of my work and to submit it to you for review, criticism and comment. This time, it's about a book entitled Le mouvement Wikimédia which I just finished the layout on Wikilivres in order to produce an eventual paper book. A nice end of day to all and thanks in advance for those who will click on the link.

Lionel Scheepmans  Contact (Fr-N, En-3, Pt-3) 21:26, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

Grants:Project/Rapid/LUCG Wikimedia Community/LUCG First Edit-a-thonEdit

Dear Community Members,


I am announcing a rapid grant we submitted about recruiting editors and improving content on Wikipedia and Wikidata.


We would be very grateful to have your feedback and endorsements about this project. Please see the proposal here:

Grants:Project/Rapid/LUCG Wikimedia Community/LUCG First Edit-a-thon

Sunkanmi12 (talk) 21:51, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

SuggestionEdit

There should be an option to simply ban IP addresses from account creation, rather than affecting the people with that IP address. 71.172.112.82 13:02, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

I'm quite sure that will require an update to the GlobalBlocking tool; you may submit a feature request here. Inlcude tag "GlobalBlocking". — xaosflux Talk 16:54, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

Update of "m:Persistent words added by unregistered" chartEdit

Is it possible to get an updated version of m:Persistent words added by unregistered editors to English Wikipedia per month is plotted over time? mentioned in https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Measuring_edit_productivity by User:Halfak_(WMF) who has left. Wakelamp (talk) 08:59, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

Talk to the Community Tech: The future of the Community Wishlist SurveyEdit

Hello!

We, the team working on the Community Wishlist Survey, would like to invite you to an online meeting with us. It will take place on 30 November (Tuesday), 17:00 UTC on Zoom, and will last an hour. Click here to join.

Agenda

  • Changes to the Community Wishlist Survey 2022. Help us decide.
  • Become a Community Wishlist Survey Ambassador. Help us spread the word about the CWS in your community.
  • Questions and answers

Format

The meeting will not be recorded or streamed. Notes without attribution will be taken and published on Meta-Wiki. The presentation (all points in the agenda except for the questions and answers) will be given in English.

We can answer questions asked in English, French, Polish, Spanish, German, and Italian. If you would like to ask questions in advance, add them on the Community Wishlist Survey talk page or send to sgrabarczuk@wikimedia.org.

Natalia Rodriguez (the Community Tech manager) will be hosting this meeting.

Invitation link

We hope to see you! SGrabarczuk (WMF) (talk) 20:03, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

ProxiesEdit

Should they really be hardblocked? Soft blocks would be better. Even better, instead of immediately blocking proxies just wait until one abuse and then block them. We should always assume good faith. 74.105.247.66 19:11, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

If I use my VPN's "keep moving" protocol, every edit I made would be from a different IP, every minute, a significantly different one. If we had to wait for one to abuse then we'd never be able to block anyone using proxies properly.
Now the softblock/hardblock one is interesting, but would still come with real issues for the checkusers - someone actively generating a swarm of sockpuppet accounts would always outpace our trying to stomp on them Nosebagbear (talk) 19:32, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Test Wikivoyage Incubation rulesEdit

I want to start a Wikivoyage incubation project in the Wikimedia incubator, for Meitei language (Manipuri language) (mni.wikivoyage.org)! Could the community explain me what minimum duration, minimum active members, minimum contents of articles, and other essential rules for its approval as an independent wikivoyage project, are needed? Haoreima (talk) 08:10, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Language proposal policy  — billinghurst sDrewth 10:10, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

What more can be done to combat systemic racism?Edit

English Wikipedia recently deleted the biography of Monisha Shah, who as can be seen from this UK government biography, is exactly the sort of person who you would expect to see documented on Wikipedia. The reason for the deletion is depressingly obvious - the media is simply not interested in writing about people with these characteristics: a non-white woman who was apparently good at her important but little talked about job (serving on the Committee for Standards in Public Life). The media did note the end of her five year term this year, but that was only because she had the distinction of having been the only non-white member of said committee, all of whom have Wikipedia biographies, including the white man who replaced her. This has all generated much media controversy due to the lack of diversity and how this white man apparently got the role. It seems therefore that noting her unwitting part in this controversy, is all that Wikipedia is ever going to document about this woman, unless she completely changes her career, or does something really bad. The irony? This woman went on to become Chair of Wikimedia UK. I doubt she is going to have much luck persuading British people and organisations to donate and partner with Wikipedia, when her own experience is being one of the many people Wikipedia quite happily shuns (and blames the media for doing it). Nothing needs to be made up to document Shah on Wikipedia, it's verifiable to reliable sources that she exists and has evidently done good work at a variety of public institutions of high repute. How does this situation get fixed, or shall we all just live with the fact Wikipedia doesn't want to stop being a party to systemic racism? NOT that Jimmy (talk) 21:05, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Hi again Crow, remember me? This a sock of globally locked user Brian K Horton, who has been ranting about this topic off-wiki. A similar sock who has been ranting about the same topic on the English Wikipedia, Ringle Bemore, has been checkuser blocked. Feel free to just delete this entire thread. Hemiauchenia (talk) 23:34, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
I'm quite sure you're mistaken. I have seen those threads, and that is what prompted my post here. I think you would be wise to take this topic a little more seriously, and ponder whether or not your arrogant dismissal of it, is why people who care about things like systemic racism, might find you to be quite an upleasant person. Someone who should not remotely be a part of the Wikipedia movement. NOT that Jimmy (talk) 04:55, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
Really funny Crow. You fool no one. Hemiauchenia (talk) 20:10, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Licensing discussion for Abstract Wikipedia and WikifunctionsEdit

We are looking for input on the question: what licensing structure we should apply to Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. After some initial discussion, the two following questions in particular remain open and would benefit from your input:

  1. Should Abstract Content for Abstract Wikipedia be published under CC 0 or CC BY-SA (or is either fine)?
  2. Should code in Wikifunctions be published under Apache or the GPL (or is either fine)?

Please see Abstract Wikipedia/Licensing discussion for details and an overview, and respond within the "Open Questions" discussion threads below that linked-summary. Much thanks. --Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 21:37, 7 December 2021 (UTC)