User talk:MarcoAurelio/Archives/2017-03

Thanks

Finally, I really appreciate you closing it.--Akapochtli (talk) 16:56, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

Please move the discussion elsewhere. I've simply closed a request page and this discussion is not a request to me. —MarcoAurelio 20:11, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
@Bjarlin: @StevenJ81: Revisando el cierre me encontré con las "últimas ediciones" del usuario, al parecer va a seguir usando la página de discusión del RFC para continuar con su infinita discusión. Yo ya le aclaré personalmente al usuario que no haré ninguna acción más en su contra ni debatiré nada con él, incluso trataré de ni siquiera nombrarlo. Cualquier edición o acción que él haga ahora aquí en Meta o en cualquier lugar es problema de ustedes. --Akapochtli (talk) 15:09, 5 March 2017 (UTC) @Akapochtli: I cannot speak for Bjarlin, whom I think was out of line in continuing the talk. As for my edits, if you look two sections higher on this talk page, you will see that my edits were essentially contemporaneous with MarcoAurelio's close. I therefore had MarcoAurelio's permission for those comments to remain as part of the record of this RfC. I plan no further comment here whatsoever. StevenJ81 (talk) 16:32, 5 March 2017 (UTC) StevenJ81: As I understood it ("las "últimas ediciones" del usuario"), Akapochtli meant the user Marrovi who used the talk page for long "discussions" (just take a look there), but I think that those aren't just normal discussions, but instead long copies (per copy and paste) from the es-Wikipedia, as it seems to me because of Spanish language and also difflinks to the es-WP. There are also missing the sources for all those copies, that should be added, if anyone knows, where those long texts come from (from which pages). Those long copies don't link to the original user pages in the original wiki, where the texts have been posted originally, and they weren't all declarated with signatures either. Only because of SUL, the user names in the signatures should be the same nevertheless. But whoever wants to read all of this or just parts of it, can't even understand in every part, what of the text is of Marrovi him-/herself and what is of other users. That's not good and it's not the way, texts should be used according to the CC-license (naming authors is required!). So I tried to declarate parts of the text (I'm hoping it's correct, but there still are authors missing nevertheless), but I didn't understand either, who wrote parts of the copied text. I don't know, what shall be done here with those copies, when authors aren't clear enough. And I don't know either, if that's a big part of the problem with Marrovis use of the wikis. "I cannot speak for Bjarlin, whom I think was out of line in continuing the talk": I don't understand this. I haven't continued any talk, and I haven't discussed anything there either nor have I any opinion of the further edits of Marrovi, because I had never to do with him. At dewiki, he's blocked since many years because of wrong edits, not because of wrong use of talk pages and copying and pasting discussions anywhere. Thus, this is another thing. Marrovi had his/her last edits in the RfC or on the talk page before the closure, so I don't think that he/she will continue discussing there anything or copying and pasting more discussions there. But maybe, it would be good, if someone told him/her that those long copied texts aren't very good, especially if it's not possible in every part of it to know who the authors of which part of the text are. But if the texts shall stay there, then they have to be declarated with unsigned templates. Not more have I done there and a few headers at the top because of the structure and better understanding of the text. I don't know, if those long copies are normal here at Meta, I have rarely seen such things anywhere. At de-WP, they aren't normal, that's for sure. Greetings --Bjarlin (talk) 18:07, 5 March 2017 (UTC) @Bjarlin: You understood perfectly. Not just anywhere, nobody does those copy-paste on any wiki, this is so easy, he breaks the rules and you should not let he does it, whatever was his intention. --Akapochtli (talk) 19:52, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

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RfC concerning Marrovi

MarcoAurelio, I felt I should bring to your attention that I had an editing window open on that page when you closed the RfC, and when I saved my edits they took, rather than giving me an edit conflict. I then went on to add one more slight addition, which was part of what I planned to write anyway. But since these are technically all time-stamped after you closed the RfC, I thought I should give you the chance to look at them, and either to allow them to become part of the closed record or to revert them all. StevenJ81 (talk) 11:50, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

Don't worry. I don't see a need to revert anything you added. Best regards, —MarcoAurelio 11:52, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

Thank you. He's very well-intentioned, but also a headache.

I'm trying to be optimistic, but I'll probably end up blocking him for a non-trivial length of time at some point so we have a chance to catch up. I've been talking on-wiki with Avi about this, and will continue to keep the stewards informed. I wouldn't want anyone to accuse me of being an unaccountable petty dictator at ladwiki. StevenJ81 (talk) 12:00, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

OAuth consumer changes

re: your IRC question, yes, ATM you have to create a new consumer for any kind of modification other than tokens and IP filter rules. If it's a bot, you should use an owner-only consumer; I plan to make those properly editable (but the change is not merged yet). For public consumers it's more tricky due to security concerns (if you are interested, the relevant tasks are T62380 and T59631). --Tgr (WMF) (talk) 20:34, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

Tgr (WMF): Thank you for this reply. It's really helpful. I indeed use owner-only consumers for my bots. Is it possible to select various projects where the OAuth grant has permission to work? I mean, the dropdown as it's currently designed seems not to allow but a single selection. What about if I want an OAuth consumer to work on some private wikis? Best regards, —MarcoAurelio 07:55, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

If you are talking about WMF wikis, you can use the special value * (in the dropdown it's shown as "all projects on this site") to do just that. ("On this site" is a bit confusing; T148942 welcomes suggestions.) Private (non-SUL) wikis do not share consumers with the public ones; they don't share users either so it wouldn't make much sense. I don't think they have OAuth installed at all.

If you are asking about your own wiki farm, you are still limited to a single wiki or all wikis, but if you choose all wikis, you can use the same consumer for public and private wikis - they just need to be configured to use the same OAuth database and the same central ID system. (For pre-1.27 MediaWiki versions the configuration works differently but the idea is the same.) --Tgr (WMF) (talk) 08:42, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

@Tgr (WMF): Yes, I was talking about private Wikimedia wikis. I did this consumer for the project I wished to work on, but it won't let me, even if the project appears on the dropdown. I logged into the account there and saw no "connected applications" on the preferences either so I guess that OAuth indeed does not work for our wiki. Maybe we should enable OAuth for that private wiki so we could manage OAuth consumers for/to use on that wiki only, as it happens on Wikitech? Thanks. —MarcoAurelio 09:02, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

Yeah the dropdown is probably lying to you. It just reads the full sitematrix config and has no idea which wikis actually share an OAuth database. There is no technical reason preventing you from making it into a separate OAuth server. Barring that, you can always fall back to bot passwords (I think those are enabled everywhere). --09:23, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

@Tgr (WMF): Apparently bot passwords ain't working for private wikis. I guess because it's less secure than OAuth, then it makes sense. Regards, —MarcoAurelio 09:28, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

Private and fishbowl wikis have OAuth disabled too. I guess just adding 'stewardwiki' => true; there would enable OAuth for that project (not sure since it's also on private.dblist). —MarcoAurelio 09:31, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

You would have to create the database first. --Tgr (WMF) (talk) 09:53, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

Tech News: 2017-10

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• You can now search on English, French, Hebrew and Greek wikis and find words even if you forget the diacritics. It also works if you use diacritics in your search but the wiki doesn't. [1]
• When you use the mobile view and click on a link to an article in another language you will see that article in the mobile view. Previously it changed to the desktop view. [2]

Problems

• Some watchlist gadgets didn't work for a period of time last week. This has now been fixed. [3]
• Admins who click on "mass delete" on a user's Special:Contributions will be taken directly to a list pages created by that user. It has worked like this before, but not lately. [4]

Changes this week

• The way you switch between wikitext and the visual editors in the desktop view has changed. It is now a drop-down menu. This is the same as in the mobile view. [5]
• The "flag the edit in the abuse log" checkbox will be removed from the abuse filter interface. This is because the edits are always flagged in the abuse log. [6]
• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 7 March. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 8 March. It will be on all wikis from 9 March (calendar).

Meetings

• You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 7 March at 20:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Clarification

• The 2017/09 issue of Tech News mentioned 3D file formats you can soon upload to Commons. The AMF format will be available later.

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23:23, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

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User:Sro5011

Please unlock this account. I know there have been trolls impersonating my username, and I really appreciate what you were trying to do, but these vandals have only started to appear within the past year or so. I notice this account is from 2010, years before I even registered, so it is not one of those vandals. Sro23 (talk) 09:55, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

@Sro23: Thank you for your kind message. I've unlocked the account. I probably made a mistake when selecting the users from a list of accounts. Best regards, —MarcoAurelio 13:35, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

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Merchandise

Hello.

I couldn't understand your recent edits of merchandise giveaway page. Are you sure that the IP edits were plain vandalism? --Muzammil (talk) 19:39, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

Please read my edit summary. It reads "private information" not "vandalism". —MarcoAurelio 19:41, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

Thank you very much!--Muzammil (talk) 19:46, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

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Notifying translators

Ok thanks for the warning but you could also put the warning in languages other than English, because for example I with the Italian language interface. --Samuele2002 (Talk!) 14:35, 12 March 2017 (UTC)

@Samuele2002: Yes, I'm trying to get it displayed for all languages. You can translate {{NotifyTranslators}} into Italian should you wish to. There's a problem because the template is not being displayed for other languages so I shall check with somone (@Steinsplitter?) who might know better what's happening. I tried to follow the same logic as with the global rename queue template. Obviously it is not succeeding. Regards, —MarcoAurelio 17:58, 12 March 2017 (UTC)

Unfortunately, there is no way to put a notice for all languages, therefore i suggest to disable the page temporary with a js hack. --Steinsplitter (talk) 18:29, 12 March 2017 (UTC)

@Steinsplitter: Hmm... and what about Template:Globalrenamequeue & MediaWiki:Globalrenamequeue-summary? —MarcoAurelio 18:30, 12 March 2017 (UTC)

The GRqueue has no auto import of translation from translatewiki, but the notify page has. I requested stuff for notify translators a while ago. --Steinsplitter (talk) 18:38, 12 March 2017 (UTC)

To avoid problems you could not turn off the tool until you resolve the problem? --Samuele2002 (Talk!) 21:12, 12 March 2017 (UTC)

@Samuele2002: I can't do that. We could use a JS-hack to display or to blank the page, but I don't know how to do that. Sorry! —MarcoAurelio 13:05, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

Done but should be removed/deleted after the bug has been fixed. --Steinsplitter (talk) 14:23, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

Thanks! —MarcoAurelio 15:35, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

Thanks very much! --Samuele2002 (Talk!) 22:26, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

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Tech News: 2017-11

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Changes this week

• You will be able to show references from <references /> tags in more than one column on your wiki. This is the list of footnotes for the sources in the article. How many columns you see will depend on how big your screen is. On some wikis, some templates already do this. Templates that use <references /> tags will need to be updated, and then later the change can happen for all reference lists. [7][8]
• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 14 March. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 15 March. It will be on all wikis from 16 March (calendar).

Meetings

• You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 14 March at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

• Some old web browsers will not be able to use JavaScript on Wikimedia wikis in the future. If you have an old web browser on your computer you can upgrade to a newer version. [9]
• CSS in templates will be stored in a separate page in the future. [10][11]

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15:25, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

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Are you always this curt?

Sorry I offended you, and hope that you find the "pardon" that you were begging for. Are all admins on this site as rude as you? — The preceding unsigned comment was added by WPPilot (talk)

@WPPilot: So I give you an answer and I'm being rude? You did not offended me with your message there, but this one you left me here now is borderline trollish. —MarcoAurelio 11:54, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

"I Beg Your Pardon" [I beg your pardon. definition, meaning, what is I beg your pardon.: used for saying 'sorry' when you have made a mistake or done something wrong & used to show that you strongly disagree or that you are angry about something that someone has said:] is a phrase that is used when a person has in some way offended the other. I asked a simple question and your first reply was to insinuate that I was being offensive. Had your reply been to answer the question then it would have been a productive one, yet your choice of the phrase was a clear indicator that my question offended you...--WPPilot (talk) 12:17, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

@WPPilot: Sorry for that then. If you look at my user page you'll see that English is not my native language. Apologies. —MarcoAurelio 12:19, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

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Current infinite block

Just tripped over

01:12, 21 July 2010: Bastique (meta.wikimedia.org) globally blocked 184.73.0.0/16 (infinite) (edits · IP check · whois) (Cross-wiki spam: Amazon Web Services - Service has been used for trojan/spam attacks - Little or no good edits - Please email info@wikimedia.org if you are affected by this block)

While I don't have a specific issue either way, I had thought that we had changed most to long term.  — billinghurst sDrewth 12:28, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

Hi. Bastique made that block using his office hat back then, and I remember he told us not to amend those blocks. As such I'd prefer to leave that block as it is. Regards, —MarcoAurelio 12:40, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

Whichever, not my decision, though my recollection does not exactly align. That was not his office hat, and we have many other examples of amazon server farm blocks since then which were five year blocks, rather than infinite. When we queried staff about it during my mopping period it was my recollection that it was determined that it belonged to the community decision making. I think that notes were made on the CU wiki. It was also during that period when the feeling of stewards was that permanent blocks were not desired compared to long term blocks.  — billinghurst sDrewth 13:23, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

Tech News: 2017-12

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• The Save page button now says Publish page or Publish changes on the Wikimedia wikis except for Wikipedias and Wikinewses. This change will come to Wikipedias later. The point is to make it more clear that the edit will change the page immediately. Publish page is when you save a new page and Publish changes when you edit an existing page. [12]
• DMOZ no longer works. Templates that use DMOZ can be redirected to archive.org or another mirror. DMOZ has been removed from the RelatedSites extension on Wikivoyage. [13]
• You can see monthly page views when you click on Page information in the sidebar. Developers can also get monthly page views through the API. [14]
• The Linter extension is now on smaller Wikimedia wikis. It helps editors find some wikitext errors so they can be fixed. It will come to other Wikimedia wikis later. The extension will be able to find more errors later. [15]
• The MediaWiki-Vagrant portable development environment has been updated to use Debian Jessie. This means local development and testing will be more like on the majority of Wikimedia production servers. [16]

Problems

• On 15 March some interwiki links to other languages were not correctly sorted. This has been fixed. If you still see pages where the interwiki links are not sorted as they should be, they should be fixed automatically with time or you can edit the page and save it without changing anything. If this doesn't work, please report it. [17]

Changes this week

• When you edit with the visual editor, you will be able to switch the direction you write in from right-to-left to left-to-right as you are editing. This is especially important for editors who edit in languages that write from right to left. You can do this with a tool in the editing menu. You can also use the keyboard shortcut Ctrl+Shift+X on PCs or Cmd+Shift+X on Macs. [18]
• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 21 March. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 22 March. It will be on all wikis from 23 March (calendar).

Meetings

• You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 21 March at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.

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22:03, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

Tech News: 2017-13

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• When you edit with the visual editor, you can see a visual diff as well as a wikitext diff when you review your changes. [19]

Problems

• Special:AllPages was disabled for two days due to some performance issues. It is back, but the filter for redirects is gone as the cause of the performance problem. It still needs to be fixed. [20][21]

Changes this week

• New filters for Recent changes will be released on Portuguese and Polish Wikipedias and MediaWikiwiki on March 28. Other wikis will get it progressively. The new filters include filtering, highlighting and, on certain wikis, user intent prediction.
• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from March 28. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from March 29. It will be on all wikis from March 30 (calendar).

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14:46, 27 March 2017 (UTC)