Talk:Global locks/Archives/2008

Question on local wiki unblocking

Steward handbook#IP address blocks notes global blocks can be lifte don a particularly wiki (3rd paragraph). Thus on Commons I've created MediaWiki:Globalblocking-blocked and added an option to the unblock request template for removing a global block.

Is it worth doing this, and is there anything else that should be done? —Giggy 00:21, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

yes, its fine but since IP's are blocked globally for a reason, it will be good to tell the stewards as to the reason why it was removed from a particular wiki, here in meta so there are no misunderstandings in the future regarding this ...--Cometstyles 00:27, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Indeed. Another question while I'm here; do IP block exemptions (which all admins have) override global blocks? (eg. if my IP was global blocked, could I still edit Commons?) —Giggy 00:34, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

yes, its like the spam blacklist on meta, its global but some stuff on the spamblacklist can be whitelisted on another wiki and thus can be used..so yes, IP-block exempt overrides global blocking ..--Cometstyles 01:01, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

double blocking

I would like to clear following two cases: A. I have blocked an IP on a project; then, after further vandalisms, the same IP is global blocked by a steward; and B. vice versa - a steward blocks the IP globally, then I will block the IP locally. What happens?

• will the second blockee get a message that the IP is blocked - globally or in the second case locally?
• which block overrides the other?
• I blocked the IP indef for heavy vandalism, then a steward blocked the IP for one month only: which block length is valid, and will I get a message about it locally?

Thanks, -jkb- (cs.source) 20:40, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

hmm not sure about which message that Ip will get but I'm very sure that the local block overrides the global one, so even if the so even if the global block expires, the local block stays but if the IP is blocked longer globally than locally and a local admin wants to remove that block, they should unblock the IP using the Special:GlobalBlockWhitelist and check the small box which says Disable this global block on <nameofwiki> and that Ip will be able to edit that wiki freely without it being affected by the global block..--Cometstyles 21:39, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

OK OK, that's what I wanted to know (by the way, sure, every local bureaucrat should know the white list so I do). Important seems to be that the local block can (in most cases) override the global one. More over, it is easier for the local bureaucrat to get the knowledge about global blocks (one click or two), the steward would have a little bit more to do (some 745 clicks or so I guess...). So, thanks for the answer, regards, -jkb- (cs.source) 21:46, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

There is no "overriding". Both blocks apply (and therefore, restrictions from the two blocks are additive). Werdna 00:19, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes, mea culpa; so in efect, additiv means, that the longer block is valid and will not be shortened by the short one, won't it? -jkb- (cs.source) 06:26, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes, that's correct. Werdna 05:19, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

User talk?

Would the globally blocked user still be able to edit his user talk pages, as with normal blocks, or would he only be able to edit at Meta? --Philosopher ^{Let us reason together.} 23:30, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

They can edit their talk pages on any single wiki and request for unblock in that respected wiki --Mardetanha ^talk 23:56, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Not sure about the above, but the blocks do not apply at all on Meta, so they may come here to discuss things.  — Mike.lifeguard | ^@en.wb 22:08, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Equally unsure (per Mike), but ideally the block message given would point to a place to appeal (Steward requests/Global). I'm not sure if the current one does that. —Giggy 05:01, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Um, you can't edit your user talk page through a global block. I don't know where Mardetanha got that idea. Werdna 05:18, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

That might be a good thing to change - for instance to allow a globally blocked user to request to be added to the local Whitelist. --Philosopher ^{Let us reason together.} 13:17, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

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Users are not globally blocked but locked so that they can't log-in exept on meta. Regards, —DerHexer (Talk) 13:20, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Translation

This needs to be done. Very important for a very important function. —Anonymous Dissident^Talk 08:34, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

I've created and added Template:Other languages/Global blocking. I could whip up a weak French translation, but I think it's better for everyone if we wait for some fluent speakers to come help out now. —Giggy 09:14, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Giving this permission to Global sysop

The following discussion is closed.

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I think If global sysop permission applies cross-wiki, Giving Global blocking right to global sysop is good idea. (but global sysop permissions are just a proposal currently.) How do you think about giving it to global sysops?I apologize my English is bad--Kwj2772 08:38, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

already included. speedily close.--Kwj2772 15:02, 15 September 2008 (UTC)