Grants talk:IdeaLab/Non violent communication

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OppositionEdit

  • Oppose Oppose The idea, as it stands now, is much too vague. You have only given us a definition of non-violent communication. What do you suggest to do with it? Where is the evidence that there is a lot of violent expression of opinion on Wikimedia projects anyway? And supposing there is, how exactly are you going to make those communicating violently switch to non-violent communication? --Doveofsymplegades (talk) 18:42, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
    • Thank you for your comment. It helps me to understand what I can do to make my idea more efficient. I see 3 questions in your comment.
      • "This idea, as it stands now, is much too vague" OK, I understand that you focus on a more detailed explanation of this idea. If so, I can give more details. The concept of non violent communication (NVC) exists for more than a half century, with many references like books, Internet sites, social groups on Facebook & Yahoo, videos on Youtube, and tons of practical implementations. For instance, what is NVC in a few lines: What is NVC
      • "Where is the evidence of violent expression of opinion in Wikimedia?" Harassment is violent, and this is why it is an issue in Wikimedia and why Wikimedia asks for contributions. If you don't agree with my statement, please let me know how you understand Wikimedia asking for ideas on how best to deal with harassment; I may have misunderstood the point.
      • "How exactly are you going to make those communicating violently switch to non-violent communication?" I understand your question as how to switch from a violent communication to a non-violent one. This leads me to join my answer with your next question "What we can do to decrease violence in Wikimedia?"

We first start with the basics of non violent communication: understand that every contribution is an act of communication. Secondly, violence is a tragic form of incomplete communication, when one's needs are unmet. Let's propose the non violent way, by taking into account the whole parts of a communication: observation - feelings - needs - request. This can be done in details by creating a toolbox with the method, examples and support to everybody in need of how to face harassment. I don't say I can deal with any situation, that will be the benefit of asking many people to share their experience.

Did this text answered your questions? Is there anything else you want to say? I have a request for you: this is my first participation in this IdeaLab, would you like to help me in expressing this idea in a form that match the Wikimedia criteria? Thank you for your answer. Gwalarn (talk) 12:17, 10 June 2016 (UTC)

Harassment must be treated by experts in NVCEdit

@Gwalarn: "how exactly are you going to make those communicating violently switch to non-violent communication?" This is the right question. That is a possible answear: Grants:IdeaLab/Harassment must be treated by experts, not by anyone. Or even better, harassement must be treated by experts in Non violent comunication, not by anyone.--Luca Polpettini (talk) 16:50, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

@Luca Polpettini: Thank you for your remark. Do I correctly understand your post if I say: you prefer the situations treated by experts than by everyone? If so, I would appreciate to know more about your position: why do you think so?
I am OK with a treatment by experts. My proposal is compatible with a specific treatment by experts, and I hope there are other proposals in the IdeaLab to put in place such treatments. My aim is to offer a tool to keep the communication at a peaceful level. My opinion, and experience, is that many violent situations go wild from a lack of knowledge in communication. With the basics in communication (what is a communication, what leads it to turn into a fight or a harassment, what everyone can be aware to do to avoid such situations), everyone is able to contribute peacefully. Of course, not everybody will take these knowledge and will apply it. At the same time, many people just don't know how to act properly when facing a situation when they feel angry or when someone else is angry. They will find some examples enlighted by some basic and practical knowledge of NVC. This will help them to keep calm and to lower the level of anger and violence. This is what I call "tackling the situation at its root".
To illustrate what I say and if you are interested to see some example of NVC in action, type "NVC in action" on Youtube.
If you want to contribute by some situations where you think NVC will be a help or is challenging to apply to, I greatly welcome your examples. It will contribute to expand the corpus of examples. Gwalarn (talk) 12:38, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
I agree with you: "With the basics in communication (what is a communication, what leads it to turn into a fight or a harassment, what everyone can be aware to do to avoid such situations), everyone is able to contribute peacefully. Of course, not everybody will take these knowledge and will apply it."
This is exactly what i mean when i'm saying "treated by experts". I think our proposal can be merged.
In Wikipedia in italian it would be very useful and necessary. There the solution to conflicts is always the weakest user block/ban :(( --Luca Polpettini (talk) 14:58, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

Interested in applying for a WMF Grant?Edit

@Gwalarn and WoodenToy: thanks for your work on this idea during the Inspire Campaign to promote nonviolent communication. Having read over the proposal, I wanted to ask if you were seeking funding through a Wikimedia Foundation grant: We have Rapid Grants for projects requiring up to USD 2,000 (applications are welcome anytime), and Project Grants for projects requiring more substantial funding (applications for the current round will be due Aug. 2nd). If you are interested, I wanted to offer my support in helping you develop your proposal. A few things you could do to get started include:

  • Where will this toolbox be located? Were you thinking about building something here on meta, or building a space in a specific Wikimedia project?
  • Could you provide some specific examples of some of the content that might be included? This will help reviewers get a better understanding of what the final product might look like.
  • How will people be referred to this toolbox when problematic interactions are identified? How will it be made visible more generally?

As you work on your proposal, we also have sessions on Google Hangouts on July 20th, 29th, and Aug. 2nd. If you'd like to chat about your proposal at a different time, let me know and we'll try to arrange something individually. Thanks, I JethroBT (WMF) (talk) 18:30, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

Training or involving?Edit

@Gwalarn: why do you propose only training? And why no involving experts in NVC in conflicts resolution?
I think training is not enough to switch the community to non violent communication, experts have to involved somehow. I proposed this way in Grants:IdeaLab/Harassment must be treated by experts, not by anyone. What do you think about it?--Luca Polpettini (talk) 18:30, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

Do you mean experts trained in NVC to be involved in the conflict resolution? As far as I know them in France, they are professional who will ask money for their work and their time. Is a way you see how to combine money with Wikipedia's policy? Gwalarn (talk) 21:49, 8 October 2016 (UTC)
Training is for free? Wikipedia is a no-profit organization, not a no-money organization.--Luca Polpettini (talk) 22:05, 8 October 2016 (UTC)
Sure! So, how to fund this activity? A grant? How big? Gwalarn (talk) 17:08, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
Endorse Harassment must be treated by experts, not by anyone! I applied a Grant exactly to involve experts in NVC/facilitation in conflicts resolution.--Luca Polpettini (talk) 20:02, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
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