Wikivoyage/Lounge/Archive/2014-10

Badges

As some of you know, from yesterday badges (in Wikipedia, stars for GA and FA) can be stored on Wikidata. Shortly, they will become visible on sidebars of the projects which enable them (I guess for Wikivoyage this will not be implemented now, but can be done relatively easily). We may want to use this mechanism for storing info on the article quality. I have already seen today that someone stored an info on Jerusalem where the Hebrew Wikivoyage has a star articles. There are three questions therefore to be discussed:

• (a) Do we want to do it consistently across all or the majority of Wikivoyage projects;
• (b) If yes, is it enough to adapt to the existing Wikipedia-centered systems and rate stars as FA and guides as GA;
• (c) If (a) is yes, and (b) is no, what do we want? Three different badges for stars, guides, and outlines usables?--Ymblanter (talk) 07:08, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

I believe, you meant stars, guides and usables. --Alexander (talk) 09:17, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Indeed, now corrected, sorry for that.--Ymblanter (talk) 09:25, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

(a) yes; (b) and (c) it will be easier to introduce the third type of the badge instead of discussing what our analogs of FA and GA are. --Alexander (talk) 09:17, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

That's an excellent idea. Three types of badges would be perfect for our needs. GMM (talk) 12:04, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

What is the actual benefit for Wikivoyage to store this information in Wikidata? I can't tell what it is from the description and questions above.

Obviously Wikivoyage already has this rating concept through templates, so there is no benefit for categorisation and sorting. --Andrewssi2 (talk) 23:16, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

It might make it easier to spot that some other language has a featured/star article on your intended destination which might be worth translating (some Wikipedia languages do that, fr: is one). Beyond that, dunno... any of the other {{pagebanner}} info (is star, is former DotM/OtBP/FTT, is UNESCO listed, has disambig) pertains specifically to the local page and is already templated on that page.— The preceding unsigned comment was added by K7L (talk)

At least, we will display quality articles with stars in the interwiki links. --Alexander (talk) 02:57, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

(a) No.Yes. (b) Not sure I fully understand. The symbols have to clearly stand for Wikivoyage statuses (Star, Guide, Usable). If they do, I'm satisfied with it.

I'll copy the relevant remarks from en:voy:Travellers' pub#Badge function in Wikidata here:

I added a comment on meta. I don't see any information about why this would be of benefit. Maybe the benefit is too obvious to everyone else, but I would appreciate knowing exactly what it is. Andrewssi2 (talk) 23:24, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

We already have statuses, so I don't understand what this would add. If an article is a Guide, that's a mark of quality. Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:27, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

Exactly, it would just move the 'Guide' status into WikiData. It wouldn't be useful because this is not a data item that can be shared between different Wikivoyage language sites.

It 'may' be useful to know that Jerusalem is a Guide article in Hebrew if I am looking at the English article which is only 'Usable', although I doubt anyone would be that interested. --Andrewssi2 (talk) 23:37, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

That's the usual argument. On Wikipedia, other-language articles with exalted status are indicated with an icon next to the name of the language on the sidebar. Wikivoyage could do the same. Powers ^(talk) 01:39, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

That's an excellent idea. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:51, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

Thinking about it some more, I have to say that I don't check out other language versions of an article because I make the assumption that they will have less content than the English one. This feature would encourage me to at least check out the other ones if there was a quick icon that would tell me there was content worth viewing. Andrewssi2 (talk) 06:48, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:29, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for bringing this discussion here. However, if I read it it sounds to me like (a) is yes.--Ymblanter (talk) 06:51, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

To clarify: I do want other-language articles with exalted status to be indicated with an icon next to the name of the language on the sidebar, as Powers calls for. Maybe I somehow didn't fully understand the proposal. If that's the result of the proposal, yes, I am in support of it. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:27, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, I hope it was clarified below.--Ymblanter (talk) 16:20, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Maybe I can try?

The proposal is to A) Store Wikivoyage article ratings for all languages in WikiData. B) Display an icon of 'Guide' and 'Star' rated version of articles next to their respective language links on the side bar --Andrewssi2 (talk) 13:14, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Yes, absolutely. And C), which seems to be the current consensus (if I am reading it correctly) is to also have a (separate) icon for 'Usable'.--Ymblanter (talk) 16:19, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

I would support that. Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:09, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Great. I'm assuming that actually creating the statements for Wikidata is trivial and designing a bot to move all the ratings is straightforward. The remaining aspect is how much effort is required to display the icon in the sidebar for every Wikivoyage language site? --Andrewssi2 (talk) 03:23, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

We can either ask Wikidata developers to do it on the basis of this discussion, or do it per project by modifyig Mediawiki (though I would not know how.--Ymblanter (talk) 12:00, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Another issue is whether we are fine with using generic badges (featured = star, good = guide, and apparently to be soon added quality==usable articles), or we want specific badges for Wikivoyage projects (star, guide, usable).--Ymblanter (talk) 12:00, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

It's important to avoid confusion. I don't much care what the badges look like (within reason), as long as their meaning is clear. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:43, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

I think this would work only if is standarized the rating system across the wikivoyages, i.e., all WV having FA/FTT, Usable, guide, etc. To do this, should have coordination and collaboration between language editions. By the way, Spanish WV already have this rating system. --Zerabat (discusión) 12:47, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

We don't have it "already", we have it from the earliest days of Wikivoyage. To the best of my knowledge, three ratings (usable-guide-star) are shared between most of the language versions. If some language version chooses a different system, we should probably discuss it on a case-by-case basis. --Alexander (talk) 14:41, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

A slightly different badge could be created to note that a district of another language's article is at star/guide status. Many large cities are divided into districts. The rating of regions & cities with districts is dependent on the status of articles lower in the geographical hierarchy>. On EN, cities with districts must have all districts at useable or better to be a guide article & all districts must be at guide level for the city to be a star. When a city article gets too large, the city is divided into districts and the rating of the city article is then dependent on the rating of the district articles. For example, voy:Charlotte is only at useable and has 12 districts (one doesn't even have an article), but the district that covers the central business district (voy:Charlotte/Uptown) is a star. I don't have time to find real examples, but a very useful & detailed city article could have 7 guide-level districts, 4 useful articles, & 2 stubs and the city would only be at useful level. This would be a problem across languages because one language might have no districts and so its article is a guide or star, while another has much more content but is only useable because it has 12 districts. For this I suggest using half of the badge that corresponds to the rating of the district with the highest rating. Doing this for regions is a lot more complicated. AHeneen (talk) 07:10, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

This is an important issue but i propose to separate things. If we agree to have such a badge, it can be added later.--Ymblanter (talk) 18:17, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

Implementation

Yaroslav, can we proceed and submit a request to Wikidata? Once we have the badges activated, we can think how to adjust them. --Alexander (talk) 09:18, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

There is one issue on Wikidata which I need to sort out. I will try to do it tomorrow and come back here.--Ymblanter (talk) 18:17, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

Left a request on Wikidata to activate the third badge.--Ymblanter (talk) 13:36, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Now I filed a bug, [1]. We need to wait until it gets resolved.--Ymblanter (talk) 20:10, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

The badge has been created, a bot is currently adding them to Wikidata.--Ymblanter (talk) 18:51, 15 October 2014 (UTC)