Rave92
My son, I don't want you to get me wrong, I have nothing against the Montenegrin language, if I did my actions in real life would've been considerably different. But, for the sake of having one day a Montenegrin Wikipedia and for the sake of the very language itself, this request mustn't succeed. Its very purpose seems to be discrediting the idea of the Montenegrin language and I will be open here - I apologize in advance for seeming inappropriate if I do - I think that you have voiced support without any sort of consideration or insight into the matter, but that you have called upon your own patriotism as a reason to cast your vote, discarding arguments in its place. Just look at the beginning of the request, the opening text, the vandal founder, look at most of the invited votes, at the lack of real argument and the purposes behind. I am always open and direct, so I shall be here too, and this has got nothing to do with your age (being an 18-year old or younger/older): I think that you have personally supported the Wikipedia request not out of logical reasoning, but with national motif. I have inspected this morning your edits, and I must gravely admit that they confirm my suspicions that you do not possess the qualifying knowledge and that they discredit you in any discussion on the new and latest Montenegrin Wikipedia request. Actions such as this one are a simply put wrong and it is very alarming that you make them, out of whatever reason (ignorance or direct support of your personal view of what the Montenegrin language should be).
It would be very dangerous for the Wikimedia if you are put in charge (especially since you are proposed as one of the two native speakers, meaning you'd (sic!) be a or the super-admin), be it because such a Wikipedia would indeed turn into our nightmare - another isolated and POV-pushed one - but also because of my worst fears; in the lack of a standard for the Montenegrin language an unqualified person as yourself would participate in its standardization. This is reason a more not to approve this Montenegrin Wikipedia request, since, or so your contributions would depict, your actions are already doing enough damage to the English Wikipedia (I'm very sorry if I sounded far too harsh, both to you and your parents). --RichardArnolde 11:16, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
My son, I am not sure how to understand you since you do all your effort for not to open MNE wikipedia. Introduction was I guess too much, let's say extreme. To be honest, I don't see how introduction can be measure for this kind of stuff. I think your insulting me, and my knowledge isn't gonna help you, or anyone. I as native speaker, certainly have more knowledge than you and most of people. Your conclusion by my edits is funny, and just shows who here doesn't know about the subject. I don't have to be admin, if that is your main problem. I didn't put that I am native just because of Admin, and TBH, I never though of it. I edited in demo project of Montenegrowiki which is now closed (probably because of server) and I didn't have Admin status there. Your claiming that I am dangerous for Wikipedia community, is funny and immature, and please avoid discussion with me and don't think you know anymore than me or any other member on Wikipedia. Have fun! Rave92 18:28, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
- Is this a sense of sarcasm in your beginning words? My effort is not aimed against a MNE Wikipedia mainly, but against this request. I fail to see how so many people, including yourself, are blind from perceiving the fact that this Wikipedia request is nothing but a trollish trick, an attempt to discredit this idea and the Montenegrin language itself.
- You most certainly do not have more knowledge than me, a likewise native speaker and one of the persons actually involved in the very language's standardization, information you should've become aware of had you read the discussion at the Montenegrin Wikipedia request page instead of ignoring all or most of it and placing your voice.
- To say that the introductory text is extreme must be an understatement. Joining in this attempt to discredit the Montenegrin language is very harmful to its credibility, not to mention the fact that this is obviously an attempt to line up Wikipedia requests and keep them going (3, 4, 5,...) in an attempt to give it a bad voice throughout the Wikimedian community. Even if this request is accepted (for which I see very little chance to occur), that would mean that the Montenegrin language will have an eternal black stain on it and a dark reputation drawing it from its very beginning. That is why I also plead you not to do support (or rather, amend your current position) this motion and join this farce which tarnishes the Montenegrin name. --RichardArnolde 18:57, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
- P.S. I apologize if I sounded rude, it was really not my intention. I am also a bit feeling over here as a trinket of reason in a fog surrounded by blind-folded people, to express myself in style. No one pays attention to my arguments, everyone keeps just canvassing and discussing politics, and everyone who supports this seems to be completely ignorant of the initiator's horrifying motives and the very nature of this Wikipedia request. --RichardArnolde 18:59, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
Let me get this straight, I am discrediting idea of Montenegrin language, by supporting Montenegrin language wikipedia? Is that it? As that's how I understand your post.
So you speak Montenegrin? You are from Montenegro? How you were involved in languages standardization?
If you think that the user who opened this request, then why don't you open request under your name, and just copy/paste the discussion there and we continue with it. It's silly to discredit whole discussion because the person who open it was extreme with introduction. I don't see how can someone who was active in standardization (not sure how) can go against of opening MNE wiki.
Well your second post has more sense than the first, but you didn't show it like that, and your posts don't say only that because of bad introduction, MNE wiki shouldn't open. You mention use of it, ISO code etc... like you are totally against it. Also, why not adding your self as Native speaker, and become admin of MNE wiki since you think someone would be dangerous for project.
Apology accepted! Rave92 19:09, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
Request of removal of candidacy edit
I would also kindly ask you to remove yourself from the list of Users interested in forming an editing community, on the ground that your actions have disproved the claim that you are a native speaker (N), separating itself from both the common Montenegrin speech and the proposed standards in the first official Orthography of the Montenegrin language and Orthographic Dictionary of the Montenegrin language, adopted in mid-2009 in the process of beginning the standardization of the Montenegrin language. It would be very faulty to present yourself as such, let alone create a Wikipedia and leave you with administration authorities over it.
Sincerely yours and with hope that you do not misunderstand my words, --RichardArnolde 16:27, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
Um no I won't remove my self. I am native speaker, and I can always prove it. Deal with it! Rave92 18:28, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
- Understood. I have, as mentioned to the above, inspected edits of your account to which you have directed everyone through your user page. How do explain this edit?
- Regards, --RichardArnolde 18:57, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
Not sure what is there to explain. Rave92 19:09, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
- Why did you make that change? What is the reason? What is the justification? --RichardArnolde 19:17, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
P.S. A picture is worth a thousand words:
http://cetinje.me/images/images/novi_03.jpg
I shall repeat my self: A picture is worth a thousand words: