A suggestionEdit

Hi, I've used Citer for years now, a huge help. I didn't realize, however, that it could handle Google Books URLs - never guessed that that's what you meant in "URL/DOI/ISBN". This didn't matter while there was a toolforge tool for Google Books but it's gone. Maybe provide some sort of hint in the tool itself? Chiswick Chap (talk) 16:02, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

Hi, Chiswick Chap! Thanks for your suggestion. Actually there is a hint in the footer message mentioning Google Books. I don't want to make the button's text too long, not sure how I can improve this. Dalba 11:15, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

Failed URLs.Edit

Thank you for creating Citer! Here are a few URLs that fail without giving a helpful message.

Additionally, this is an English-language article which comes up with language = de in the generated cite.

Additionally, Substack citations have the website as "Substack", when, for example, it should be "The Discourse Lounge" for this link.

Grendelkhan (talk) 02:06, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

Hi Grendelkhan,
  • lamag: fixed
  • wsj: worked for me, but it took several tries. Not sure what is happening here. The WSJ server is responding with 403 (Forbidden) status code when called from Toolforge server, but works on my PC. Could be a temporary issue or maybe they have blocked Toolforge's IP address. I may have to look into this later.
  • cnbc: I just improved the language detection algorithm.
  • darrellowens.substack.com: It's complicated, but in short, citer can't find the proper site name by looking into usual places in this case, then, as a last resort, it tries to guess the name using the URL (domain name) and the home page title. Of-course it has failed here, but works on some other websites. I may change or remove this algorithm in the future if more cases like this show up. Dalba 15:25, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
@Dalba: Citer fails for the https version of this URL. It works for the non-https version.
--Whywhenwhohow (talk) 03:04, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
  Fixed. Dalba 04:29, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

@Dalba: Thank you for fixing. Citer appears to be having trouble with other archive.org URLs that use https.

It displays the message

HTTP error:

One or more of the web resources required to create this citation are not accessible at this moment.

Is it a timing issue where Citer doesn't wait long enough for the results? --Whywhenwhohow (talk) 05:12, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

@Whywhenwhohow I just tested and citer was a able to generate a citation for all of the URLs you just mentioned, which makes me wonder, are you using https://citer.toolforge.org/ or some other URL to access citer? Dalba 09:33, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
I am using https://citer.toolforge.org/ but the results for URLs from archive.org frequently fail. Sometimes it displays that "HTTP error" message immediately and other times it generates a citation. I just tried a different archive.org URL and it failed immediately. I tried
--Whywhenwhohow (talk) 23:24, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

Citer provides the wrong title, date, and language for this CDC press release.[1]

--Whywhenwhohow (talk) 05:40, 6 January 2022 (UTC)


  1. "CDC Newsroom". CDC (in Spanish). 1 January 2016. Retrieved 6 January 2022. 

Date for archive pageEdit

Citer appears to use the date of the archive for the date in the citation instead of the date of the archived page. For example, for the URL https://web.archive.org/web/20121101092633/https://www.fda.gov/NewsEvents/Newsroom/PressAnnouncements/ucm307549.htm it uses November 1, 2012, instead of June 8, 2012.[1] For that URL is uses website fda.gov instead of U.S. Food and Drug Administration. --Whywhenwhohow (talk) 22:31, 3 January 2022 (UTC)


  1. "FDA approves Perjeta for type of late-stage breast cancer". fda.gov. 1 November 2012. Archived from the original on 1 November 2012. Retrieved 3 January 2022. 

Citation spacing and parametersEdit

Current version: | issn= | pmid= |pmc= | doi= | pages=

I would like it changed to remove the spaces inside the citations and move a few of the parameters like this:

Proposed version: |pages|issn=|doi=|pmc=|pmid=

The named reference only needs to include the last names and year of publication without additional spaces inside the named rereference. QuackGuru (talk) 03:07, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

I disagree with the above, as spaces are useful for allowing the citations to wrap on the screen, making reading and editing easier. When there are no spaces, it causes the citations to occupy way more lines than necessary. I hate seeing citations with no spaces! Laterthanyouthink (talk) 02:53, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
When there are no spaces, it causes the citations to occupy less space. When there are spaces it makes it more difficult to edit because the citations look like sentences. I think editors should be given an option. The proposed version above occupies less space. QuackGuru (talk) 15:37, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
Hi! Thanks for the feedback and sorry for my the late response. Although I see that some users might prefer other kinds spacing, but I don't think I'll be adding a setting for this feature in the app because it is a rarely requested feature (actually, this is the first time someone has asked for it) and the added complication is perhaps not worth. Dalba 09:18, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

Inexplicably setting language to ChineseEdit

I have found since yesterday that Citer seems to be interpreting all Australian ABC articles as lang=zh, e.g. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-15/malcolm-abbott-domestic-violence-prevention-fails/101059440 - is this something to do with the ABC website, and/or is this something you can fix, please? Laterthanyouthink (talk) 02:53, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

It was something I could fix. Thank you for letting me know. Dalba 09:02, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
Thank you! Laterthanyouthink (talk) 13:20, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

Incorrect {{citer}} code generated for URLEdit

The URL https://www.utas.edu.au/library/companion_to_tasmanian_history/B/Black%20Convicts.htm returns this reference:

<ref name="University of Tasmania University of Tasmania">{{cite web | title=Black Convicts | website=University of Tasmania | University of Tasmania | url=https://www.utas.edu.au/library/companion_to_tasmanian_history/B/Black%20Convicts.htm | access-date=2022-06-13}}</ref>

which has two stray references to "University of Tasmania" as well as probably one other bug.

Thanks for citer!

DanShearer (talk) 21:05, 13 June 2022 (UTC)