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2019 Affiliations Committee call for candidatesEdit

The Affiliations Committee (AffCom) – the committee responsible for guiding volunteers in establishing Wikimedia chapters, thematic organizations, and user groups – is looking for new members!

On behalf of the committee,

Camelia Boban, AffCom member

April 2020 LGBT+ User Group Meeting - Thursday, April 23, at 1:00pm EDTEdit

The April 2020 LGBT+ user Group meeting will be on Thursday, April 23, at 1:00pm EDT, via Zoom The link to the page with the agenda, timezone converter, and more information is here. During this difficult time of COVID-19, it is especially valuable to share in community with our friends and colleagues from a distance. Sorry for the lateness in posting this. All are welcome. --- FULBERT (talk) 21:58, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Invitation to participate in Wikipedia Pages Wanting PhotosEdit

Dear Wikimedia Affiliate Community,

We are inviting you to participate in Wikipedia Pages Wanting Photos (WPWP), a new global contest scheduled to run from July through August 2020:

Participants will choose among Wikipedia pages without photo images, then add a suitable file from among the many thousands of photos in the Wikimedia Commons, especially those uploaded from thematic contests (Wiki Loves Africa, Wiki Loves Earth, Wiki Loves Folklore, etc.) over the years.

WPWP offers a focused task for guiding new editors through the steps of adding content to existing pages. It can be used to organize editing workshops and edit-a-thons.

The organizing team is looking for a contact person at the Chapter, Thematic group & Wikimedia User Group level (geographically or thematically), or for a language WP, to coordinate the project locally. We’d be glad for you to sign up directly at WPWP Participating Communities

Thank you,

Deborah Schwartz Jacobs

On behalf of Wikipedia Pages Wanting Photos Organizing Team - 21:19, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

May 2020 LGBT+ User Group Meetings - Thursdays May 14 at 1:00pm EDT & May 28 at 1:00pm EDTEdit

During the April 2020 LGBT+ User Group meeting, we discussed expanding this to twice a month. We agreed to try this on the second and fourth Thursdays at 1:00pm EDT, as this day and time seems to generally work for our members. We are doing this in part because we have not been getting through our entire agendas, in part because with COVID still present we want more time to discuss issues of importance and community-building overall, and in part because we want to try this as our members have been exploring additional User Group ideas and opportunities. More specs about the meeting on Thursday, May 14 will be here, while the one for May 28 is here. Both will use Zoom, with the links on those individual pages. All are welcome. --- FULBERT (talk) 20:20, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

Wiki Loves Pride 2020Edit

Hello! I've created a page for Wiki Loves Pride 2020: Wikipedia:Wiki Loves Pride/2020. The top of the page has some language recycled from previous campaigns, but I've removed language about in-person meetups because the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic prevents people from organizing IRL events at this time. I welcome page improvements as we approach the June start date, thanks! -Another Believer (talk) 14:22, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

Were the prize winners for the Wiki Loves Pride 2019 contests ever announced? Funcrunch (talk) 14:57, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
See commons:Commons:Wiki Loves Pride 2019/Winners. -Another Believer (talk) 04:55, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for getting this set up and ready for 2020 Another Believer. If you are able to attend one of our User Group meetings this month, it would be great to discuss this and see what areas of help or need remain with it. --- FULBERT (talk) 17:20, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

The 2030 movement strategy recommendations are here!Edit

Greetings! We are pleased to inform that the 2030 movement strategy recommendations have been published on Meta-wiki. Over the last two years, our movement has worked tirelessly to produce these ideas to change our shared future. Many of you participated in the online conversations, hosted strategy salons, attended regional events, and connected with us in-person at Wikimania. These contributions were invaluable, and will help make our movement stronger for years to come. 

The finished set of 10 recommendations emphasizes many of our core values, such as equity, innovation, safety, and coordination, while tasking us jointly to turn this vision into a reality. These recommendations clarify and refine the previous version, which was published in January this year. They are at a high strategic level so that the ideas are flexible enough to be adapted to different global and local settings and will allow us to navigate future challenges. Along with the recommendations, we have outlined 10 underlying principles, a narrative of change, and a glossary of key terms for better context.

The recommendations are available in numerous languages, including Arabic, German, Hindi, English, French, Portuguese, and Spanish for you to read and share widely. We encourage you to read the recommendations in your own time and at your own pace, either online or in a PDF. There are a couple of other formats for you to take a deeper dive if you wish, such as a one-page summary, slides, and office hours, all collected on Meta. If you would like to comment, you are welcome to do so on the Meta talk pages. However, please note that these are the final version of the recommendations. No further edits will be made. This final version of the recommendations embodies an aspiration for how the Wikimedia movement should continue to change in order to advance that direction and meet the Wikimedia vision in a changing world. 

In terms of next steps, our focus now shifts toward implementation. In light of the cancellation of the Wikimedia Summit, the Wikimedia Foundation is determining the best steps for moving forward through a series of virtual events over the coming months. We will also be hosting live office hours in the next coming few days, where you can join us to celebrate the Strategy and ask questions! Please stay tuned, and thank you once again for helping to drive our movement forward, together. RSharma (WMF)

A better calendarEdit

At yesterday's Zoom chat, the topic of improving our calendaring came up again. After a bit of research I have found that there is an installed global calendar tool, which shares a global calendar with tags. So if we stick to tagging any events of interest with LGBT, we can get our own nicely navigable list of events in a swappable list or monthly calendar format (these are the clickable icons on the left hand side). To be able to edit the calendar contents you must make a slight addition to your wiki javascript, refer to Events_calendar/about#First_of_all,_unlock_extended_features. In general this is much easier than the current complex templates we use to add to a table of events.

Below is the example with the LGBT tag filter applied, and we can move this to the Wikimedia LGBT+/Calendar page if there is a consensus to start using it.

By the way, the buttons seem in French by default. We should be able to request improvements to usability if we start actively using it.

There are some bugs, for example the field adding a wikipage link to the event title, appears to need a space at the end to work. If we log them it would be easier to stick to known work-arounds, and they can be tracked in a development task. -- (talk) 11:38, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for looking into this . I looked at the instructions and was not able to figure out how to add new things to this. Can you point those specs out, as I have missed them in some way. Thanks. --- FULBERT (talk) 16:20, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
You have to go to Special:MyPage/common.js (which will direct you to User:FULBERT/common.js)
then edit the page by pasting in the following two lines and saving the result:
importScript( 'User:0x010C/Events-calendar-editor.js' );
importScript( 'User:0x010C/Events-calendar-navigation.js' );
then return to this page, you may need to refresh to see the edit links.
This change enables a small bit of javascript for you on meta which will enable the edit features. Though everyone can view the calendar, only those with this javascript can edit the (global) calendar. -- (talk) 17:29, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
P.s. for an example of how this looks, see mine at User:Fæ/common.js. -- (talk) 18:27, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
Thanks . Let me try this out. --- FULBERT (talk) 12:52, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
OK, , I tried to enter in the 2 June UG meetings but was stuck trying to figure out how the time and specs work on it. I could not locate instructions on how to enter it. Do you know? --- FULBERT (talk) 15:20, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
Yes it's a bit pants. You just enter the date using the popup calendar (appears when you click on the field), but the time you have to manually type in. There's no obvious way of changing the timezone, hence adding the three letter code to the title.
Warning: it seems best to try to enter the fields in a dummy fashion, before sorting out time and links, as writing to the central file seems to not work be laggy. In fact it seems to fail the first time for me every time... not sure whether that's an actual write failure or a lag across templates. Once a brief entry is working, editing it seems to work fine.
I have added entries for the next 3 dates, which you can re-edit as necessary.
If we use it for a couple of months, we can think about raising a request for some fixes, or at least documenting what the bugs really are. There seem to be a few tech minded people about that would probably take a longer look and could probably sort out the multilingual aspects much better than my temporary solution of an English fork. -- (talk) 15:58, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
Thanks . --- FULBERT (talk) 16:34, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

I have created a quick fork of the javascript so that the edit windows are in English. None of the functionality has changed. Instead of the additions above you can cut & paste this into Special:MyPage/common.js:

importScript( 'User:Fæ/Events-calendar-editor.js' );
importScript( 'User:Fæ/Events-calendar-navigation.js' );

Please stick to new events having the tag "LGBT" as this is the filter the calendar is based on! -- (talk) 17:58, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

August 2020

June LGBT+ User Group Meetings - Thursdays June 11 at 1:00pm EDT & June 25 at 1:00pm EDTEdit

We will continue with the second and fourth Thursdays of the month for our online User Group meetings at 1:00pm EDT, as this day and time seems to generally work for our members. More specs about the meeting on Thursday, June 11 is here and for Thursday, June 25 is here. Both will use Zoom, with the links and agendas on those individual pages. All are welcome. --- FULBERT (talk) 15:00, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

Call for candidates - June 2020Edit

Hi everyone,

The Affiliations Committee (AffCom) – the committee responsible for guiding volunteers in establishing and sustaining Wikimedia chapters, thematic organizations, and user groups – is seeking new members!

The main role of the AffCom is to guide groups of volunteers that are interested in forming Wikimedia affiliates. We review applications from new groups, answer questions and provide advice about the different Wikimedia affiliation models and processes, review affiliate bylaws for compliance with requirements and best practices, and update the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees as well as advise them on issues connected to chapters, thematic organizations and Wikimedia user groups.

The committee consists of five to fifteen members, selected at least once every year, to serve two-year terms. As the committee must hold mid-year elections to replenish its members at this time, those joining the committee during the current process will serve a slightly extended term from July 2020 through December 2022.

AffCom continues to closely monitor the Wikimedia 2030 Strategy process initiated in 2016. While the affiliation models continue to be discussed as part of the broader strategy discussion, as no decisions have been made to change the current affiliation models yet, AffCom continues to work in the same manner with regard to affiliate recognitions and intervention support for affiliates with issues of non-compliance in 2020. AffCom continues to process applications for user group and chapter/thematic organization creation, while we await the strategy next steps and begin to prepare for a smooth transition of the committee and affiliates ecosystem to any changing movement structures and systems in 2021.

Being a part of the AffCom requires communication with volunteers all over the world, negotiating skills, cultural sensitivity, and the ability to understand legal texts. We look for a mix of different skill sets in our members.

Click here for further details.

James Heilman on behalf of AffCom

MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 06:18, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

  1. Is anyone from Wikimedia LGBT+ going to put their hat in the ring for this? I am considering it. RachelWex (talk) 21:05, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

Universal Code of Conduct - Working Group Representative for the LGBT+ User GroupEdit

As discussed in the last user group meeting, I reached out to the Trust and Safety lead about having a representative of our user group on the working group to develop the Universal Code of Conduct (UCoC), and as a result we have been invited to have a delegate to work on this effort who can also keep our user group informed about its progress. So, please reply here if you are interested in volunteering to work on the UCoC team with Trust and Safety. Requirements for this volunteer role include:

  • experience in policy drafting
  • experience in cooperating online
  • empathy
  • experience in collaborating in an international team
  • participatory decision making

It is also intended that this person will have the confidence of communities, and our user group, along with a clean blocklog on their major wikis. Please reply here if interested in this role, and we will see who we can get on our behalf. --- FULBERT (talk) 16:27, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

I am interested in serving on this working group. RachelWex (talk) 02:23, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
I am also interested Nattes à chat (talk) 11:47, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

I reached out to @Mdennis (WMF): about the timeframe for this and will clarify here once I get more information then we can discuss how to select our representative. --- FULBERT (talk) 13:41, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

I support either Rachel or Nattes for this. Thanks for volunteering. Blue Rasberry (talk) 19:52, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

Pinging RachelWex and Nattes à chat about this. This is a partially redacted reply with more information about how this role will be invited to engage. The committee will be created by July 15th with approximately six weeks of focused and intense work to get to the final version for the Board on August 30th with time between for meetings, discussions, and input from various communities. Thus, 6 vigorous weeks of effort for this. With this information, is there a way you two could communicate directly and see if this would work better for one of you than the other, as otherwise we will have a vote here. Please ping me if you need more information. Thank you. --- FULBERT (talk) 17:50, 22 June 2020 (UTC) ː Rachel being very interested to apply for the LGBT group I have applied myself separately. Nattes à chat (talk) 14:28, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for letting us know Nattes à chat. As long as RachelWex is fine with this, then RachelWex will be our representative. I believe the timeline has been pushed back by a couple weeks, but is still scheduled to begin in July. Thanks for volunteering! --- FULBERT (talk) 13:36, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
For anybody else interested in the UCoC process, more information can be found about it here. --- FULBERT (talk) 13:36, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

WMF 2030 Movement Brand ProjectEdit

On Tuesday June 16th, members of the global Wikimedia community came together to watch a presentation about the WMF 2030 Movement Brand Project and 3 naming proposals, which you can watch here: or view the slides here.

For complete information, visit the meta page.

In a nutshell, WMF reached out to multiple stakeholders from 41 countries to get feedback on branding of WMF and Wikimedia projects. The stakeholders included

  • Readers (those who access Wikipedia or other Wikimedia projects online but do not contribute)
  • Donors
  • Affiliate group representatives
  • Individual Wikimedians

85% of these stakeholders stated that they were not really sure what the term "Wikimedia" communicated to the wider world. The majority of stakeholders indicated, however, that most people have an understanding of "Wikipedia", and that Wikipedia is often the gateway for folx to learn about or participate in the other Wikimedia projects.

WMF wants to do a better job reaching out to Asian and African countries, as well as donors. That is the reason that they provided for the discussion and quest for feedback on changing the naming conventions for Wikimedia Foundation to something else.

This is the structure of the survey, with questions.

This is the survey link for individual contributors:

From June 16-30, WMF will be collecting feedback from individual Wikimedia contributors and affiliate groups. I encourage everyone to complete the survey as individual contributors, and give your honest opinion / feedback. I think Wikimedia LGBT+ has to determine how we want to submit a survey / feedback response as an affiliate group. If we can all complete the survey by June 25, prior to our Wikimedia LGBT+ meeting, that would be great--then we can talk about how we want to proceed with a Wikimedia LGBT+ response.

Sincerely, RachelWex (talk) 21:20, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

It is not possible to access the Qualtrics survey using a TOR browser, i.e. the system forces the contributor to use a non-anonymous IP address. It is not possible to even read using a TOR browser.
Qualtrics states it will track everyone visiting its website, including "personal data", for which they are the data controller (not Wikimedia). Confusingly if someone wanted to request data being held about them by Qualtrics, the privacy statement makes it the customers' problem (Wikimedia) to respond to questions, not Qualtrics.
There are no time limits on Qualtrics holding data about use of their sites.
They may leave various cookies on your machine.
Undefined "third parties" will have access to those cookies, for which Qualtrics "have no control", including "targeting cookies".
Data may be transferred to undefined "Affiliated Companies", for purposes such as spamming you with "latest products, service offers..."
Data may be transferred outside the EEA under different standands.
User information will be held indefinitely for "internal purposes" including "marketing-related".
Conclusion: Doesn't look like a survey I feel safe opening, let alone entering personal opinions in to, especially as this cannot be done within any independent anonymity like using a TOR browser. As the Wikimedia Foundation do not control these terms, I am not convinced that the WMF can assure users that Qualtrics will not retain what they type into this confidential survey forever, or that third parties outside the EEA might accidentally leak their responses at some later date. -- (talk) 07:12, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
  1. (talk) I am so sorry to hear that this survey will not work on a TOR browser. I am basically just the messenger here, but this is definitely something to bring up to the WMF folx in our affiliate group response (which might not happen through the "official" survey channel if the Wikimedia LGBT+ members are not in support! RachelWex (talk) 20:06, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
  • @: You may be interested in raising these concerns at the All-Affiliates Brand Meeting by either joining that meeting or linking to this discussion from that page. That meeting is a few Wikimedia community organizers' own discussion of the brand, independent of the WMF. Rachel has signaled interest in joining on that page. I think it is of general interest. Blue Rasberry (talk) 22:18, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

Affiliations Committee elections announcement June 2020Edit

Hi everyone,

This is a friendly reminder that the Affiliations Committee (AffCom) – the committee responsible for guiding volunteers in establishing and sustaining Wikimedia chapters, thematic organizations, and user groups – is seeking new members! The deadline to post your application on the nomination page is 30 June 2020.

  • Application process: Considering the anticipated changes following the Strategy recommendations, we had a limited scope to introduce changes in the process. We have made a small but impactful addition to the application process by introducing the Self Assessment survey form which will help the committee know more about your engagement as endorsements are not consistently shared, may not be representative, and often do not speak to the specific skills needed.
  • Selection process: No change; see: Membership.

If you have any questions, please contact me and/or the committee as a whole. We are happy to answer questions about our work if this helps people decide to apply. Please distribute this announcement among your networks. Good luck to all the candidates!

On behalf of the committee,

--Rosiestep (talk) 00:49, 19 June 2020 (UTC) via MassMessaging

Branding Project and the LGBT+ User Group - VoteEdit

As many of you know, the 2030 Movement Brand Project is moving forward and each affiliate is invited to provide an affiliate vote of the options. For this to happen, we will need to discuss this as an affiliate and come to some form of internal vote. As we have our next user group meeting this week on Thursday, June 25, I will add this to the agenda. We can discuss and determine how we place our user group vote.

To support our discussion, please see: the naming pages on Meta-Wiki and the naming presentation and the naming presentation slidedeck.

If you are not able to attend the upcoming User Group meeting and want to provide feedback or a vote, please do so below. Thank you. --- FULBERT (talk) 18:00, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

WMF Name Branding Survey ResponseEdit

Hello Everyone,

At our June 25th Wikimedia LGBT+ meeting, we discussed the WMF Name Branding Survey, and how to provide a response from the affiliate group. What we decided was to send an email to WMF about our concerns surrounding the naming proposals, as well as a survey response from Wikimedia LGBT+ that reflects our concerns.

WMF extended the survey / feedback response deadline to Monday July 6th, so we have some time.

If you have not provided an individual response to the survey to see the naming proposals, please complete it here by Mon July 6th.

Here is a DRAFT email to WMF...please let FULBERT (talk) and RachelWex (talk) 18:01, 25 June 2020 (UTC) know if this is OK to send to WMF by Friday July 3rd:

Dear WMF:

Wikimedia LGBT+ does not support any of the three brand naming proposals. We recommend that the brand remains Wikimedia Foundation / Wikimedia Movement for the community, and that naming convention solely for donors not engaged with Wikimedia projects be designed.

Sincerely, Wikimedia LGBT+

RachelWex (talk) 18:02, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

I am fine with this RachelWex. What do others think? --- FULBERT (talk) 19:33, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
+1. Now signed the Community open letter on renaming, as I'm sure that the quantity of support sigs makes a difference. -- (talk) 20:39, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
  • This is the response that I prefer. I completed the survey as an individual saying this and I also signed that open letter. Blue Rasberry (talk) 20:57, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

Calendar of events?Edit

There was a new calendar in experimentation. I have not learned to access it yet - is it active?

I regret that I missed some June meetings.

When is the next online Wiki LGBT+ meeting? Blue Rasberry (talk) 11:21, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

  1. goto Wikimedia_LGBT+/Calendar
  2. read "more information" just below it
  • next meeting 9 July.
-- (talk) 13:22, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
Sorry, was late in getting the pages created for the 2 July meetings Blue Rasberry (talk) and ; they are now online here. It will be great if somebody can help update them in the calendar here as well. Thanks.

Draft Wikipedia article for Wiki Loves PrideEdit

Hello! I've started a draft Wikipedia article about the Wiki Loves Pride campaign. I'm fine leaving this entry in the draft space until we're sure notability criteria are met. Are any project members aware of any additional sources to help flesh out the draft? Please feel free to share here or on the draft article's talk page. Thanks, and Happy Pride! -Another Believer (talk) 19:10, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Invitation to participate in LGBTQ Lowcountry Wikipedia edit-a-thonEdit

Hi all! College of Charleston (South Carolina, USA) Special Collections is hosting a virtual Wikipedia edit-a-thon for LGBTQ history in the Lowcountry area of South Carolina. The event will take place from July 13-July 17, 2020. More information about the articles we hope to improve is available on our Wiki Event Dashboard, where you can sign up. Please share to other groups that might be interested. Thanks so much! Lgbtqlowcountry (talk) 20:13, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Feedback on movement namesEdit

There are a lot of conversations happening about the future of our movement names. We hope that you are part of these discussions and that your community is represented.

Since 16 June, the Foundation Brand Team has been running a survey in 7 languages about 3 naming options. There are also community members sharing concerns about renaming in a Community Open Letter.

You should have received a separate affiliate survey via email. If you have not, feel free to email brandproject

Our goal in this call for feedback is to hear from across the community, so we encourage you to participate in the survey, the open letter, or both. The survey will go through 7 July in all timezones. Input from the survey and discussions will be analyzed and published on Meta-Wiki.

Thanks for thinking about the future of the movement --The Brand Project team, 13:37, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Note: The survey is conducted via a third-party service, which may subject it to additional terms. For more information on privacy and data-handling, see the survey privacy statement.

July LGBT+ User Group Meetings: Thursday July 9 at 1:00pm EDT & Thursday July 23 at 1:00pm EDTEdit

As we mentioned at the last user group meeting two weeks ago, we will continue with our meetings twice a month on the second and fourth Thursdays of the month for our online User Group meetings at 1:00pm EDT.

More specs about the meeting on Thursday, July 9 is here and for Thursday, July 23 is here.

Both will use Zoom, with the links and agendas on those individual pages. All are welcome. --- FULBERT (talk) 01:33, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Looking forward to our second User Group meeting of the month today. All are welcome. --- FULBERT (talk) 15:54, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

Organizing meetup PagesEdit

Hello. Should the meetup pages be moved to the respective locations? Reason: To get everything to be subpages of Wikimedia LGBT+ instead of them being a "standalone" page. Wikimedia LGBT User Group should be created and redirected to Wikimedia LGBT+/Portal

This is not really necessary but it'll be better to do so. --Minorax (talk) 01:49, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
While we are talking about housekeeping, could we also swap to ISO date format of YYYY-MM-DD in the page names? This would mean the files sort themselves nicely by page name, even if the meeting titles written on the meeting agendas remain in whatever long format is preferred. -- (talk) 10:21, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
Yes, agree, move all meetings to be sorted by date.
Minorax, why create any heading for "Wikimedia LGBT User Group"? The organization already has a name, "Wikimedia LGBT+". Also, I wish we could get rid of "Wikimedia LGBT+/Portal" by moving everything there to "Wikimedia LGBT+". The "/Portal" part was an error in organizing, I think.
I would like to set up some kind of tabs for this group, perhaps something like at Wikimedians in Residence Exchange Network. At Wikimedians_in_Residence_Exchange_Network/reports#Annual_reports I set up a list of all the meetings and put them into what will be each year's annual report. I am not sure which Wikimedia organization has the best way of logging meetings, but this could be a model unless someone has seen or can propose a better way. Blue Rasberry (talk) 19:47, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
@Bluerasberry: The reason for creating the redirect (Wikimedia LGBT User Group) is to actually sort the meetup pages and link it back to the main page. It depends on how you guys want to sort the pages, and the redirect is redundant if the decision is to follow the name of the main page. Pinging @: as well. --Minorax (talk) 07:00, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
It's a good point. The name "LGBT+" was a hard won compromise when we established the group, and "Wikimedia LGBT+" or "WM-LGBT+" are unique to our user group, so they are sufficient names to identify meetings and documents.
For those unaware in countries like France, using 'LGBT' is often thought a less inclusive term, but no one abbreviation satisfies all groups. Hence words like "queer" can have more reach even while being less specific. Our compromise is the "+", so it turns out to be important not to miss out. Considering it's been several years without too much debate, it's been working fairly well for us. -- (talk) 07:25, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
IMO, the format for the dates should be kept as it is as there are pages without a specified date in the title (Wikimedia LGBT User Group September 2019). --Minorax (talk) 09:29, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
The benefit of ISO format is those would sort fine, e.g. 2019-09 though actually that example is really 2019-09-09. -- (talk) 09:51, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
Ok. I'll list down the pages and their respective target page for vetting latest by the end of the week. --Minorax (talk) 13:38, 9 July 2020 (UTC)


These are the pages and their respective target. Kindly check. --Minorax (talk) 02:48, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for following up. The reorganization was briefly mentioned at the UG zoom yesterday, and nobody has objections. There's general recognition that an easy to navigate set of meeting records helps to establish that the UG is active and might help in future funding proposals or a change in affiliate status. If there was an easy way to have an autogenerated navigation template on each meeting notes page, this would be a cool addition too.
The "+" in the name was also discussed, but it was suggested that we might use a redirect page for the parent category, so that links and external links can be used without the "+" that would end up in the same place. Exactly as LGBT has done for the past 8 years and avoids having to use URLs in emails or publications with "LGBT%2B" in them. -- (talk) 08:15, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
So basically Wikimedia LGBT User Group July 23 2020 -> Wikimedia LGBT/2020-07-23 and Wikimedia LGBT+/Portal -> Wikimedia LGBT+ with Wikimedia LGBT be redirected to the latter? --Minorax (talk) 11:48, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
Moving the meeting notes pages is fine. Moving the portal should have a bit more of a consensus, as there might be other things, like the templates, we could do with more voices on. -- (talk) 16:09, 11 July 2020 (UTC)


@: Done. Redirects have been left to avoid breaking any incoming links. Let me know if there are more pages to move/delete. --Minorax (talk) 08:24, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for this organizing effort Minorax and your guidance in this . Can you clarify how we should continue to create new meetup pages now? Also, what other options should we continue to consider to make our site easier to use and find? --- FULBERT (talk) 14:21, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
For the first part, it'll be Wikimedia LGBT/YYYY-MM-DD. The second is actually up to the members of the user group. --Minorax (talk) 14:39, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
In effect m:LGBT is the movement wide UG "landing page" (i.e. that same shortcut works on Commons, the Spanish Wikipedia and everywhere else). Rethinking how we could use it as a more dynamic portal or main page for all our Wikimedia LGBT+ related projects, and maybe newbies who care about LGBT+ topics but not necessarily the UG itself, could be a useful discussion at the next Zoom, perhaps coming to some decisions about redirects and whether less obvious pages, like "resources" or "things you can do to help" could do with being independently useful things to land on with their own shortcuts. -- (talk) 17:45, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
, that sounds like a helpful discussion to have. Can you add it to the agenda for the next meeting? I am afraid if I try to write it then it would become more scattered and you made it rather clear. --- FULBERT (talk) 22:31, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
  • This is great! There were many discussions about naming the organization "Wikimedia LGBT+", and I think we should keep that name, but for the practical reason of making links render properly, I think that keeping everything at "Wikimedia LGBT" is reasonable. This new link structure will make the meeting notes easier to find through conventional search and also help organize our list of meetings. Blue Rasberry (talk) 22:35, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

Announcing a new wiki project! Welcome, Abstract WikipediaEdit

Hello everyone. I am posting the announcement below, which you may have missed elsewhere, and in the hope that you can share it with your local communities. Please note that it may be available in your language at m:Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/July 2020 announcement. Thanks for your attention! m:User:Elitre (WMF)

Wikimedia Foundation: male, female, or rather not say?Edit

gender survey question from a July 2020 Wikimedia Foundation questionnaire for the Code of Conduct project

This comes from a survey titled "UCoC: Affiliates Outreach Survey" which says "This form was created inside of Wikimedia Foundation". The survey asks for the respondent's gender, giving options of female, male, or rather not say. There is no option for other answers.

I set up en:Gender survey question as part of a response. Anyone can comment here. I would like to talk about this at a future LGBT+ online meeting. Blue Rasberry (talk) 22:37, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

  • @RachelWex: You are this community's representative to the Code of Conduct discussions. I wanted to ping you here to advocate for inclusion of people who do not fit into the male / female gender binary. Blue Rasberry (talk) 22:40, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
For our community, it makes more sense to ask about self identifying pronouns rather than "male or female". One can use gender neutral pronouns, that does not mean you are "gender neutral" in a medical sense. It is also weird to me that form-designers always revert to vaguely biological terminology of "male or female" which could apply to cats or monkeys, while humans have identifying genders like "woman", "genderqueer", "non-binary". This way of talking about volunteers, makes me wonder why WMF employees what to know what genitals we have in our pants. It feels as bad as if they had a colour chart to identify what "race" you are. -- (talk) 07:49, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
I normally say that the best practice for forms, if gender data needs to be collected at all, is to make gender a fill-in-the-blank question. But if that isn't possible, having Female, Male, Other, and Prefer Not To Say is the next best choice, though Female and Male are really sexes, not genders. Funcrunch (talk) 14:57, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
I think this raises issues concerning gender and sex and how they are related. I am not sure if there is universal consensus on this scientifically or socially, and as result it also affects how policies are made and followed. Is there an article in this area that can be pointed to for evidence or guidance in informing policy? --- FULBERT (talk) 12:05, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
This article is very on point: New Categories Are Not Enough: Rethinking the Measurement of Sex and Gender in Social Surveys
Available without login at -- (talk) 14:13, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for sharing this article . I think the conclusion is useful, "To do so, surveys must also consistently distinguish between the concepts of sex and gender, incorporate self-identified sex and gender, provide clear cri-teria or instructions for how to determine sex and gender, acknowledge change in sex and gender over the life course, and rethink the necessity of employing binary sex and gender categories throughout the survey materials" (pg. 555). The challenge is this seems a big ask for some gender scholars to ask for society in general, given "Many contemporary gender scholars see sex and gender as distinct, though the concepts are often conflated in both academic and nonacademic contexts" (pg. 537). That research paper continues with an interesting discussion on sex and gender and how they are similar and / or different depending on numerous factors. It seems that these issues may exist more in academic discourse than in practice, with practice lagging behind (as commonly the case). It does raise the issue of this needing a wider discussion, for while a simple change on its face (e.g., survey itself), it would ultimately be a deeper mindset change to disambiguate sex and gender for the sake of surveys or other forms of communication. Do you think there would be wide appetite for this discussion? --- FULBERT (talk) 15:10, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
While I understand (and share) the impulse to identify the "best" way to ask this question, I believe there are only iterations that cause more or less harm. So when including such a question one must first ask if it is necessary data to collect and, if so, how to mitigate the harm it will cause. I find this question deeply hostile to the queer community, and an unsettling first step in this process. Very much looking forward to further insight from @RachelWex:. Megs (talk) 12:59, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
  • "Do you think there would be wide appetite"; no, especially not if this was the English Wikipedia, where there is a long problematic history of being hostile and even abusive to trans or non-binary related policy discussion, and treating that hostility as protected "free speech".
(Mild tangent alert) What may be more effective is for the WMLGBT+ User Group to create our own exemplar policies, which themselves could be lifted from external organizations like GLAAD glad guidelines. Perhaps even an 'exemplar diversity policies' page as a resource? This could cover the appropriateness of diversity questions in surveys, contributory factors for assessing notability for queer-related articles on people, places, history, and a few special queer-related issues on handling harassment or supporting LGBT+ people who are being targeted. -- (talk) 09:31, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
  • The wording can be improved, but in general I see little utility in having more than 3 options. The main function of such demographics questions is to be able to compare the sample to some baseline; if you can't stick to the same method as the baseline data you have (whatever it is), you might as well just ditch the question. (The same for age and whatever.) Nemo 15:44, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
The question has been removed from the survey. Megs (talk) 17:23, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
  • FWIW, the WMF has offered a gender survey with a fill-in-the-blank option in other contexts; I showed an example from the Inspire Campaign in my 2016 WikiConference North America talk, "The Transgender Gap". Funcrunch (talk) 19:40, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
  • I just completed a survey from the Trust and Safety Team to advance the UCOC Committee's questions about gender, nationality, sexual orientation, or any other identifying information are collected other than one's affiliate group / user group that they are aligned with... RachelWex (talk) 00:14, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

WMF UCOC Update: SurveyEdit

Hello Everyone,

The message below is from Mervat Salman of the Trust and Safety Team. She is compiling information for the UCOC committee from all affiliate groups about their experiences with harassment, what they expect from the UCOC, and what they do not want to see in it. Links to the survey in several languages are below. If you need it in another language, please contact Mervat at She would like folx to send their responses within the next two weeks. Thank you very much!

Sincerely, Rachel Wexelbaum (User:RachelWex)

There has been talks about the need for a global set of conduct rules in different communities over time, and finally, Wikimedia Foundation Board announced a Community Culture Statement, enacting new standards to address harassment and promote inclusivity across projects.

Since the universal code of conduct that will be a binding minimum set of standards across all Wikimedia projects, will apply to all of us, staff and volunteers alike, all around the globe, and will impact our work as groups, individuals and projects, it’s of great importance that we all participate in expressing our opinions and thoughts about UCoC, its nature, what we think it should cover or include and what it shouldn’t include; how it may develop, drawback or help our groups.

This is the time to talk about it. As you are a valuable contributor to the Wikimedia movement, your voice counts. Before starting to draft the code of conduct, we would like to hear from you; We invite you to devote some minutes to take this survey; your answers will help us create a safer environment for all on Wikimedia:






It’s possible that you are a member of more than one affiliate; hence you may receive this survey more than once, and you may have participated previously in the discussions or filled out a previous survey during the first round of consultations about UCoC which targeted wikipedia/wikimedia communities. We apologize for this; it is really difficult to identify if a wikimedian belongs to multiple groups that work to spread free knowledge.

Looking forward to your thoughts and opinions and hoping that you can respond within the next 2 weeks. If you have any questions about the surveys or difficulties accessing the link, please contact me by email (

Results will be considered during the drafting process for the UCoC

Thank you for your participation

Mervat Salman

Trust & Safety (Policy) Facilitator

Wikimedia Foundation

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