Talk:Strategy/Wikimedia movement/2018-20/Recommendations/Iteration 1/Diversity/5

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Most likely, new comments will not be taken into account by the new three Working Group members in their work of developing the final Recommendations. You are free however to continue discussing in the spirit of "discussing about Wikipedia is a work in progress". :)

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Sure, having better data never hurts. Seraphimblade (talk) 17:25, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

Yes, but don't be surprised that the answer is "insufficient proficiency in written English", "not here to contribute to the encyclopedia" or "have nothing to add". MER-C (talk) 19:04, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

Or feels that spending time without any financial gain but at the cost of considerable mental gymnastics, is inherently dumb .... Also, how does Wikidata help in collecting the stats? `Winged Blades of Godric (talk) 19:24, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

Please, don't use Wikidata for this

Wikidata data model is already stretched thin to host things that are relevant to day-by-day Wikipedian work, but tend to outnumber as items the original scope of the project. This kind of data is better structured and can be more useful in a SWOT analysis, NOT in Wikidata. --Sannita - not just another it.wiki sysop 17:38, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

Agreed. I fail to see how using Wikidata is beneficial for this goal. A single page, or perhaps a set of pages/subpages, would work much better on a traditional wiki model to identify barriers. Vermont (talk) 22:21, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

+1. Wikidata isn't supposed to be a dumping ground for all of the data in the world. Additionally, many people may find it harder to use the Wikidata interface than to use, say, VisualEditor. Jc86035 (talk) 15:47, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

Agree. I do think this could be valuable information to collect and disseminate, but a poor fit for Wikidata. the wub "?!" 23:01, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

How would this information be collected without abrogating user privacy?

Most users don't voluntarily provide the extent of demographic information that would be required in order for the data collected under this recommendation to have much validity. This is closely linked to your Recommendation #6, and I've discussed my concerns re privacy there. I am trying to understand where Wikidata would fit in here - the sense that I have is that all users would have a wikidata page with this information on it? In either case, this would still mostly result in a collection of demographic information and would not provide much information about barriers to participation, due in part to the unreliability of the data, but also because it tells us nothing of the barriers faced by those who are not currently participating because of said barriers. I agree that it's worthwhile to do research on this issue, but putting user demographic information on Wikidata doesn't qualify as research. Risker (talk) 23:25, 22 August 2019 (UTC)