Talk:List of articles every Wikipedia should have/Archives/2017

Can we add Shenzhen into the list?

Shenzhen is a city of more than ten million inhabitants in Southern China and among the fastest growing in the world. Wishva de Silva (talk) 15:02, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

What do you propose to remove to make place for a new entry? — Yerpo ^Eh? 16:06, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

Yes, we can. Not only Shenzen, but also Guangzhou (Canton). They should replace Cape Town and Nairobi which are much smaller. Propositum (talk) 15:25, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

Size is not the same as importance. The lead of the en-wp article gives the impression that Shenzhen does not have a very important history. And by size it is not (yet?) in the absolute top. --LPfi (talk) 11:08, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

So should we add Venice, Agra or Xi'an which used to be very important? Moreover, Guangzhou-Shenzen-Hong Kong is actually the biggest urban area in the world. Propositum (talk) 20:16, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

Artists

Among early modern architects, Bernini should replace Sinan; as regards 16th-century painters, Caravaggio ought to take over Dürer's slot. The former are more famous, as the Wikimedia Tool Labs prove, and both were more important for the development of art. Propositum (talk) 20:19, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

Popularity is not a relevant measure. We're here to educate, not entertain. Sinan should stay as the sole representative of eastern art in that section - it's a matter of balance. Similarly, Dürer represents a totally different period than Caravaggio and is also important as a humanist and a natural scientist. — Yerpo ^Eh? 06:40, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

Popularity is the most relevant measure. And nationality is not an argument; we should take into account achievements. By the way, Turkey is more Western that Eastern. Propositum (talk) 17:45, 28 December 2016 (UTC)

Nah, popularity is just the most lazy measure. We can do better than that. By the way, Turkey has been more Western than Eastern only for the past century or so. — Yerpo ^Eh? 07:32, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

It is not a lazy measure. It is the most unbiased one. NPOV is the core of Wikipedia. Have You any better method? As regerds Turkey, it has been always connected with the West, but this is another story. Propositum (talk) 20:26, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

View count of an English-language website unbiased? You have got to be joking. It's also self-referential apart from other wiki "sins". — Yerpo ^Eh? 11:39, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

16th century

It is necessary to put Charles V instead of Palestrina. The former created an empire encompassing Germany, Spain, Italy, the Americas and the Philippines. The latter is much less popular than the other listed composers. Propositum (talk) 18:15, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

Alternatively, we can replace Palestrina with Benjamin Franklin, which is one of the crucial figures in the history of America. Only few people listen nowadays to the papal composer. Propositum (talk) 17:49, 28 December 2016 (UTC)

To keep the list balanced, you should either suggest removing someone from the political leader section or adding someone to the composer section. --MarsRover 22:51, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

Wagner, Richard

Why he is more meaningfull than other? I think it will be better to remove bold font writing for Wagner.--SEA99 (talk) 13:08, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

May be highlite Beatles instead?--SEA99 (talk) 16:35, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

This is a good idea, because they have much more articles and views in Wikipedia than him (159/32,568 per day in 2016 compared with 132/8,319). But it is particularly necessary to include Michael Jackson who has better statistics than any other composer or musician in the history (190/54,677). Last but not least, the highlight for Stravinsky is more strange than for Wagner, because the former has only 111/4,005. Propositum (talk) 08:32, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

Roman empire - Ancient Rome

I suggest that Ancient Rome is made the base article instead of Roman empire. In that way we would include all the history and culture of the Roman civilization, and not just its second half. --Chandra Varena (talk) 08:01, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

Not a bad suggestion, but we already have the Byzantine Empire and the earlier part of the Roman civilization might not be as important as the latter. --MarsRover 21:58, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

remove feminism / add rape

Feminism is a eurocentristic/western topic. It hasn't had much effect on many Asian and African societies. Rape however was always present through human history, worldwide, and was and still is an important issue. It is also an often underestimated genocidal war tactic even though it is rarely spoken about. 185.100.87.228 03:35, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

• disagree. feminism represents the rise of women as equal to men in society, a huge issue, some would argue the largest social issue facing mankind. that is has roots in the West is not a reason to denigrate it. women's equality is much larger than any eurocentric idea of what women are. rape, while of course deadly serious, is taken more seriously now BECAUSE of feminism. there was a time when rape was in most of its forms not noteworthy.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 09:54, 25 February 2017 (UTC)
  • When was this time that you are speaking of? Rape has always been illegal in most societies, often punishable by death. 134.130.182.31 23:55, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
• agree with anon on this. Generally the list should lean more toward specific topics. Also to recommend to Yazidi women or Chibok schoolgirls that the world need to read about equal rights seems a bit elitist. We have more basic issues, IMHO. --MarsRover 22:23, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
• should be done similar to "Slavery"

  right now "Slavery" is included, but "slave-ownership" (or slave-owner) is not D1gggg (talk) 19:29, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

art of war

remove art of war from literature, add divine comedy by dante. art of war doesnt belong here, maybe in philosophy. the literature list is really short, i must say. we should probably also have don quixote in it.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 09:51, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

Not against removing Art of War, but we already have Dante in the list. I don't think we also need his most famous work. Maybe another choice would work. --MarsRover 22:32, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

Wikidata:List of 1000 articles every Wikipedia should have

The lists in the individual Wikipedias are often outdated. Maybe they should be maintained by ListeriaBot. For this, the data must be in Wikidata. Is there a plain list of all WD item ids?

See 282 items at d:Wikidata:List of 1000 articles every Wikipedia should have maintained by ListeriaBot, based on data at the corresponding WD item page d:Q5460604. User:Yerpo, can you provide a list of Q-ids or even better can you somehow add them to d:Q5460604? 85.180.34.213 06:26, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

I can do this, but is it sensible/possible to list a thousand objects under "has part" in Q5460604? Besides, all the objects would then have to be equipped with the inverse property "part of" (P361) and I'm not sure what are the rules for such metadata. — Yerpo ^Eh? 09:19, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

PS: where exactly did ListeriaBot get the partial list from? Maybe it's better to make a full list in the project space? — Yerpo ^Eh? 09:20, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

I guess the list was created when Q5460604 had lots of "has part", see history. A discussion about it can be found at d:Wikidata:Project_chat/Archive/2017/01#Q5460604.23P527. I agree it would be useful if Wikidata could hold the information from this list somehow. But I'm not familiar enough with Wikidata to know how it should be done in the best way, if it is "allowed" at all. Boivie (talk) 11:45, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

Maybe a new property has-list-item is needed, to avoid revers statements. Could that help? 77.179.239.159 14:24, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

I don't think this will be approved, seeing that the strategy for WD is to facilitate dynamic querying for lists. Perhaps ask around the Community portal how this could be done, but for now it's better to make it outside the mainspace. I put the raw list of items at List of articles every Wikipedia should have/Itemlist. — Yerpo ^Eh? 06:34, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

Yerpo: There are lists that can be dynamically generated (Wikidata lists), and there are lists that are maintained externally (e.g. Music charts, but also this Meta list). If one wants to describe the external lists, one has to store the information. "dynamic querying for lists" does not work if the information is not stored. Thanks for the raw item list!!! 77.179.181.135 15:32, 8 April 2017 (UTC)

Items should be selected and sorted into several lists regardless of sitelinks

D1gggg (talk) 19:26, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

Split the list

I split the list as in it.wiki. I hope this is not a problem. --Geoide (talk) 11:40, 5 November 2017 (UTC)