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Mari WikipediaEdit

See also the requests for Wikipedia Meadow Mari (approved) and Wikipedia Hill Mari (approved).
main page Requests for new languages (Wikipedia Mari)
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  This proposal has been closed as part of a reform of the request process.
This request has not necessarily been rejected, and new requests are welcome. This decision was taken by the language committee in accordance with the Language proposal policy.

The closing committee member provided the following comment:

This discussion was created before the implementation of the Language proposal policy, and it is incompatible with the policy. Please open a new proposal in the format this page has been converted to (see the instructions). Do not copy discussion wholesale, although you are free to link to it or summarise it (feel free to copy your own comments over). —{admin} Pathoschild 19:15, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
Proposal summary
  • Language details: Mari (марий, chm ISO 639-3)
  • Editing community: Untifler, Bektour, Trondtr
    List your user name if you're interested in editing the wiki. Add "N" next to your
    name if you are a native speaker of this language.
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  • Number of speakers: ~600,000
  • Locations spoken: Mari El (Russia)
  • Related languages: Erzya, Moksha

Note: Mari language has two writing form Hill (Western - iso mrj) and Meadow (Eastern - iso mhr)

SupportEdit

  1. Support --Taichi - (あ!) 00:52, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
  2. Support (no speak) - PCode 07:37, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
  3. Support Kneiphof 13:24, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
  4. Support nl:Gebruiker:Boudewijn Idema 16:35 , 2 september
  5. Support IJzeren Jan 21:20, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
  6. Support (no speak) --Inzulac 18:53, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
  7. Support -- Trondtr 09:06, 20 October 2006 (UTC).
  8. Support --Imz 18:24, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
  9. Support --Kaganer 19:31, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
  10. Support ----Chavash 00:13, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
  11. Support PCode 07:45, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
  12. Support --Zabumon 22:32, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
  13. Support --AlefZet 12:33, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
  14. Support --User:Dario vet/Sign 16:18, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

OpposeEdit

  • Oppose -- Raghav 14:04, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

CommentsEdit

  • Hill Mari language use another orthography! But half of all Mari sites are in Hill Mari/ Language code could be h-chm
    •  ?? (9 jan 2005)
      • That's true. But there are not special language code for Hill Mari, even it is different language
        • The en:ISO 639-2 code "chm" is for both what you called "Hill Mari" and the other main variant of Mari, so the two would take together "chm", such as British and American (English) in "en" and Belarusian in Cyrillic/Latin alphabet in "be". (13 jan 2005)
          • I dont know how to explain it, but differences between them are more than between Serbian and Croatian... So, Hill Mari is spoken only by 15.000...

I can't see why a wikipedia in Mari couldn't cover both dialects. Take an example of the Normandic wikipedia. It got off very recently and is flourishing. Every article is written in one of the several Normandic dialects, and carries a tag saying in which dialect it is (see for example nrm:Jèrriais). As far as I can see, it works! And even if the same article would be written in both languages, that could be solved easily with some sort of disambiguation message. IJzeren Jan 06:59, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Judging from the experiences with Nynorsk and Bokmål Norwegian, I would say that it is better to have two Mari wikipedias (or only one for Eastern). The problem in the nb/nn case was that articles started in one language pretty soon became a mix of both langugages, and then someone started editing the article in one direction or the other, with bad feelings as result. As for language codes, the languages have different s39-3 codes. We could use chm for Eastern/Meadow and the -3 code for Western/Hill mari, or we could use the two -3 codes. Trondtr 09:09, 20 October 2006 (UTC).