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The following request for comments is closed. Given the time sensitive nature of this kind of requests, I'm closing this Request for Comments. It's up to stewards to interpret the outcome. Effeietsanders (talk) 02:24, 13 April 2018 (UTC)


Statement of the issueEdit

Dear colleagues. Wikipedia in the Azerbaijani language, in poor condition. Many complaints had not been dealt with. Meta also does not address our complaints ([1], [2] ). Disgrace, how long will it last? I propose to hold an election to change the status of all sysops. Or, choose a different path. --Idin Mammadof 15:45, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

The list of those who ask to take measuresEdit

  1. Idin Mammadof (talk) 22:43, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
  2. Nijat Alibayli (talk) 00:42, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
  3. Rutulec (talk) 07:09, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
  4. Ramil c (talk) 14:06, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
  5. Shekikhanov (talk) 15:14, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
  6. Sheki (talk) 12:19, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
  7. Afrasiyab (talk) 12:47, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
  8. Samral (talk) 14:03, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
  9. Rovshan.95 (talk) 23:21, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
  10. Мурад 97 (talk) 09:29, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
  11. Aabdullayev851 (talk) 18:39, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
  12. Qolcomaq (talk) 03:35, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
  13. Elmeddin82 (talk) 05:07, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
  14.  Cavid Sumqayıtlı  (talk) 08:14, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
  15. Feteliyev (talk) 12:05, 4 March 2016‎ (UTC)
  16. TheStrayDog (talk) 22:38, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

CommentsEdit

  • Comment Comment az: İdarəçilərin müddətli, yaxud müddətsiz seçilməsi ilə bağlı vikipediyanın aparıcı dil bölmələrinin təcrübəsini öyrənmək və AzVikiyə tətbiq etmək lazımdır. Əgər aparıcı vikilərdə idarəçilər müddətli seçilirsə, bizdə də müddətli olsun. İdarəçilərin hamısının etimad səsverməsi keçirilsin. Aministiya elan olunsun, bütün bloklar açılsın. Arbitraj Komitəsi yaradılsın. Vikipediyanın işini pozan, qərəzli redaktələrlə məşğul olan, vandallıq edən, qaydaları pozan idarəçilər müddətli, yaxud müddətsiz bloklansın. --Afrasiyab (talk) 9:54, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
    • en: The experience of Wikipedia's leading language editions regarding temporal or non-temporal election of administrators has to be learned and implemented in AzWp. If administrators in the leading wikis are being elected on temporal basis let us do it on temporal basis as well. Approval elections should be held for all the administrators. Amnesty should be declared, let's cancel all the blocking. An Arbitration Committee should be created. Those administrators who disrupt the work in Wikipedia, who is busy with inequitable edits, who does vandalism and brakes rules should be subjected to temporal or non-temporal blocks. translated by: --Мурад 97 (talk) 20:47, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
  • Comment Comment az: Mən ümumiyyətlə tələb edirəm ki, idarəçilər müvəqqəti, məsələn 1-2 illiyə seçilsin. Qeyri-aktiv idarəçilər idarəçi statusundan avtomatik məhrum edilsin. Neçə dəfə də bu məsələni İdarəçilərə müraciət səhifəsində qaldırmışam.[3][4][5] Tək mən yox başqa istifadəçilər də Sefer azeri-nin idarəçiliyindən şikayətlənib və onun idarəçilik statusunun etimad səsverməsinə çıxarılmasını tələb edib:[6][7][8][9] Bir neçə idarəçi də məsələn məhz Sefer azeri-nin idarəçiliyi haqqında etimad səsverməsi keçirilməsi üçün məsələ qaldırıb və buna dəstək olub.[10][11][12] Ama səsvermə təşkil edilmir. Bütün idarəçilərin statusu səsverməyə çıxarılasın vikipediyaçılar (istifadəçilər) qərar versin ki, kim qalsın, kim getsin. İdarəçilərə yalvarmaqdan bezdik tay.--Samral (talk) 00:24, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
    • en: Translation of Samral's comment:
Generally speaking, I demand administrators to be elected on temporary basis for 1-2 years. Non-active administrators should lose their status automatically. I've raised this problem a number of times on the appeal page.[13][14][15] Not only me, but other users as well complained about Sefer azeri's administrating activity and demanded a confidence vote regarding his administrator's status. [16][17][18][19] Some administrators also raised this theme and were supportive of a confidence vote regarding Sefer azeri's administrating.[20][21][22] However, a vote is not being organised. Statuses of all administrators should be challenged by elections, Wikipedians (users) should decide who stays and who goes. We are fed up with begging administrators. Translated by --Мурад 97 (talk) 09:00, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
  • Comment Comment az::: İdarəçi statusu müvəqqəti şəkildə verilməsi ilə razı deyiləm. Müraciətinizdə yazıldığı kimi, bütün idarəçilərin statusu haqqında seçkiləri tələb edirəm. --Мурад 97 (talk) 09:36, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
    • en: I don't agree with giving administrator status temporarily. As it was written in the request, I demand election regarding the status of each administrator. Translated by --Мурад 97 (talk) 12:34, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
    • en (original): My suggestion is to have a referendum of approval for all the administrators in AzWiki. A referendum in which we would vote separately on whether we still want to see each of them as admins. People are especially concerned about recent actions of two of the admins, namely Sefer and Vusal. But I think that we should challenge all of them, given that many admins have been basically inactive and some of them have had questionable activities in the past as well. --Мурад 97 (talk) 20:31, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
  • Comment Comment az: Məncə bəzi fəliyyətsiz (varsa) və fəaliyyəti ilə problem yaradan idarəçiləri səsverməyə çıxarmaq lazımdır. Çünki çox dəyərli işlər görən idarəçilər də var. Onların zəhmətini qiymətləndirmək lazımdır. İdarəçilik müddətini isə belə təklif edirəm: İdarəçilik ilk iki dəfə müddətlə (1 və ya 2 illik), üçüncü dəfə isə birdəfəlik verilə bilər. Əsas odur ki, bu qaydalar da müzakirə olunduqdan sonra səsvermə yolu ilə qəbul edilsin. Yəni bir və ya bir neçə nəfərin yox, əksəriyyətin fikri nəzərə alınsın. --Elmeddin82 (talk) 05:14, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
    • en: In my view, (if there are) non-active administrators, or those whose activities cause trouble have to be subjected to vote. Because there are also those administrators who does valuable job. Their effort must be valued. Here's my suggestion on the administrator's terms: For the first two times they should be elected temporarily (for 1 or 2 years), and for the third time we can give them the status non-temporally. The main thing is to have these rules voted on, after they're discussed. So that we don't have them reflecting opinions of one or two, but of the majority. Translated by --Мурад 97 (talk) 12:45, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
  • Comment Comment az: Bəzi idarəçilər var ki, demək olar vikipediyaya hec daxil olmurlar. Ancaq bəzi idarəçilər var ki, onlar Azvikinin fəaliyyətində canlarını qoymuşlar. Bunu nəzərə almaq lazımdır. Qurunun oduna yaş yanmamalıdır. Təklifim budur ki, məsələn 3 - 6 ay və ya bir il vikipediyaya daxil olmayan idarəçilərin idarəçi hüququ səsverməyə çıxarılsın.Qolcomaq (talk) 03:50, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
    • en: There are such administrators about whom it could be said that they don't enter wikipedia at all. There are only few administrators, who dedicated their lives to their activities in AzWp. This should be taken account. Qurunun oduna yaş yanmamalıdır. [translator's note: Azerbaijani saying that refers to punishment of innocent people] My suggestion is that administrators who don't enter wikipedia for 3 to 6 month or one year should have their statuses subjected to vote. Translation by --Мурад 97 (talk) 13:00, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
  • Comment Comment az: Düzdür, azvikidə bir çox idarəçilər vandallıq etmirlər, lakin bu o demək deyil ki, həmin idarəçilər yaxşı idarəçilərdirlər?! Əgər bir idarəçi vandallıq edərkən 5 idarəçi ona qarşı heç nə etmirsə, bu artıq o deməkdir ki, onlarınm hamısı, yəni 1 vandallıq edənlə 5 vandallığa göz yuman qaydaları birlikdə pozurlar. Bunlardan birincisi öz hərəkəti ilə, 5-i isə hərəkətsizliyi ilə qaydaları pozmuş olur... --Idin Mammadof 17:09, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
    • en: That's right, many administrators don't do vandalism in AzWp, but this doesn't mean that they are good administrators?! [translator's note: the original orthography and punctuation saved] If when one administrator does vandalism, the other 5 administrators don't do anything against this, then all of them, meaning the 1 who does vandalism, together with 5 who close their eyes on that, do break rules together. One of them is braking the rules by acting, and the other 5 by not acting. Translated by --Мурад 97 (talk) 13:51, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
  • Comment Comment az:Aydın müəllim sözlərinizdə haqq var! Sizin fikrlərinizlə yenə də deyirəm ki tamamən razıyam. 1 -2 idarəçinin səhv hərəkətinə digər idarəçilər göz yumursa deməli sistem düzgün işləmir. Və yuxarıda qeyd elədiyim kimi, ümumiyyət yazılan fikrlərə cavab yazmırlar. Dəyişilsə və idarəçi vəzifəsi müddətli olsa bu hər birimiz üçün yararlı ola bilər! Nijat Alibayli
    • en: There's truth in Mr. Aydyn's words! I repeat one more time that I agree with your thoughts. If other administrators close their eyes on wrongfull actions of 1-2 administrators, the system isn't working right. And as I've mentioned above, they generally don't answer on questions written to them. If the system changes and administrating status will have its term, it could be fortunate for all of us! Translated by --Мурад 97 (talk) 17:41, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
  • Comment Comment az:Hamısının deyil, bəzilərini müzakirə etmək lazımdır. --Aabdullayev851 (talk) 18:39, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
    • en: Not all, but some of them should be discussed. Translation by --Мурад 97 (talk) 19:55, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
  • Comment Comment az: Düzdür, son vaxtlar Vikipediyadan istifadə etməsəm də, bir neçə il bundan qabaqkı problemlərin, narazılıqların indi də qalmasını görərək bunların dəyişəcəyinə ümid edib imzamı qoyuram. —  Cavid Sumqayıtlı  (talk) 08:14, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
    • en: Translation of
  • Comment Comment on svwp we have good experince of having only one year approval of sysops and that they after that need to be yearly reparroved. nowp had problems with their sysops and went into this (bi)yearly reapproval but over a 2-3 years period, where half of them were up to reapproval on a biyearly basis. I suggest you tooo go itne this process. To compare with enwp is not so relavnt, them being som much numerous.Yger (talk) 18:42, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
We also want to be like that. But we do not have authority to do so. Afrasiyab (talk) 22:20, 7 March 2016 (UTC)

AydinsalisEdit

The user named Aydinsalis (https://az.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C4%B0stifad%C9%99%C3%A7i:Aydinsalis) constantly insulted me and abused me over the Wikipedia and I ask admins to take measure. Not only he insulted me, he also used to sarcasm to ridicule me.

This is absolutely unacceptable behaviour and breach of the Wikilaws.

George Ho, could u please assist me --Azerifactory (talk) 00:48, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

Pinging Aydinsalis. BTW, I'm not an admin. --George Ho (talk) 00:51, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
George Ho, who is going to assist me?--Azerifactory (talk) 01:31, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
Pinging Ramil Cəbrayıl, Samral and Rovshan.95 for assistance and Azerbaijani language. --George Ho (talk) 03:25, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
Azerifactory, nə məsələdi?--Samral (talk) 05:37, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
Samral, istifadəçi məni hər dəfə aşağılayır və kobudluq edir.--Azerifactory (talk) 14:20, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
George mənim adımı niyə çəkib? Mən həll edim deyə?--Samral (talk) 14:36, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
Hi, Samral. I see my given name used in your reply. Is it referring to me? I can assure you that the user is referring to Aydinsalis, not me. --George Ho (talk) 23:17, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
Oops. Pinging Samral. --George Ho (talk) 23:18, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
Samral, yes.--Azerifactory (talk) 21:28, 7 July 2017 (UTC)
Mən ingiliscə bilmirəm. Azerifactory Facebookdan yaz mənə bilim problem nədi, çalışaram həll edim.--Samral (talk) 06:25, 8 July 2017 (UTC)
Samral, sadəcə Aydinsalis qanunları pozduğundan, onun cəzasını istəyirəm. George Ho, Samral for some reason can't provide me assistance on it. Could u tag other stewards? --Azerifactory (talk) 00:06, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
I notified Mardetanha, the steward, about this. --George Ho (talk) 00:11, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
Mardetanha, could u please assist me.--Azerifactory (talk) 16:40, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

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