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Requests for comment/Mess on Czech Wikipedia

The following request for comments is closed. Inactive for 2 years. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 08:21, 20 February 2018 (UTC)


On Czech Wikipedia is system like totality, this system is here already long term. Czech Wikikipeda have many of unwritten rules among active cswiki editors, this unwritten rules are abusive and against to sense of Wikipedia, whish should be liberty encyclopedia. On Czech Wikipedia exist sect of 50 - 100 old active editors. They fuly control Czech Wikipedia and if you want write Czech Wikipedia long-term, you must be enough inconspicuous (if you not want do big changes in pages it is possible) or if you want do big changes like starting many articles or something other, you must be member of cswiki sect, and here is problem. Exist just one eventuality how you can stay member of sect and can write Czech Wikipedia without restrictions, you must copy opinions and behavior of the majority (sect), without considering over rightness of it. You want edit Wikipedia, you must be like others! This is main unwritten cswiki rule, yes, this rule not written in official cswiki rules, but you must strictly comply it or you will be very probably ostracized or blocked by member of sect. And completely copy behavior of members of sect is way to stay one of them. If you not agree with something, even if you member of sect, you allowed to write it, but when you will write it, you will have problems, if you will be critise for example some admin´s act, you will go down in hiearchy, or you can be blocked falsely for personal attack, truely![1] Personal attacks is most abused reason to block for critising somethink,[2] ON CZECH WIKIPEDIE ALSO DECENT CRITIQUE MEAN PERSONAL ATTACK!!!!!!!. And most of editors blocked for personal attack are in true blocked for critism. But unfortunately You want edit Wikipedia, you must be like others! is applycable not just to different opinions, but tooo on whatever behavior. You have sense of humour?[3] You have colorful signature?[4] You use for something different word than majority (for examle: you use Mess istead of Whorehouse like majority, Czech exymple: Bordel vs. majority used Nepořádek)[5]+[6] You want be you?[7] You talk to vandals?[8]+[9]+[10] You are different from others?[11] You write true?[12] ITS ALL BAD IF OTHERS DOESNT DO IT! You want edit Wikipedia, you must be like others! is main unwritten rule in sect and all members must it comply. And copy behavior of orhers mean: condone bad acts of admins and agree with all opinions of admins and do everything, what admins want. And admins think, that they allowed to do everythink, for example: delete articles against comunity consensus,[13] blocked users without reason or because they dislike this user,[14] unjustifiable deleting of articles...[15] And so is Czech Wikipedia is one big mess.

CommentsEdit

  • I understand you are angry, but it's really hard to understand anything of what you wrote. We often hear such complaints about cs.wiki but we rarely get enough insight to understand them. --Nemo 13:46, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
Nemo - If you have problem with understatnding something, please write what you not understand, i know that you cannot know all about cswiki. Please give link to this page here, will be good, if our Czech Wikipedians will know about this request.--Toma646 (talk) 15:29, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
  • You want edit Wikipedia, you must be like others! Oh yes and that is how it is. Wikipedia is not a blog, where everyone can leave text in the format and with the content he likes. Wikipedie is a collective work and thus it has a uniform format, uniform procedures etc. It has its rules. If you dont like these rules, you have to options: propose changes or leave the project. And thats life. It may look sad, but it is how it is. And if we have a look on it from the point of biology (because editors are part of nature) its probably good way for all system. Imagine everybody can do what he/she/0 wants.--Juandev (talk) 09:22, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

ReferencesEdit

  1. https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diskuse_s_wikipedistou:50.9.97.53#Osobn.C3.AD_.C3.BAtoky to section: ukazka cenzury svobody projevu, pripominam bez vulgarit,
  2. 27. 8. 2013, 13:30 Egg (diskuse | příspěvky) zablokoval uživatele „Biedronka CZ (diskuse | příspěvky)“ s časem vypršení 1 týden (vytváření účtů zablokováno) (Osobní útoky, minimálně dva v tomto příspěvku http://cs.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=10672782)
  3. https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedie:%C5%BD%C3%A1dost_o_pr%C3%A1va_spr%C3%A1vce/Toma646#Koment.C3.A1.C5.99e
  4. IRC
  5. https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedista:Toma646/Archiv_diskuze_s_Wikipedistou_Toma646_(4)#Shrnut.C3.AD_editace
  6. https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedista:Toma646/Archiv_diskuze_s_Wikipedistou_Toma646_(4)#C.C3.ADl_a_smysl_revize
  7. https://cs.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedie:%C5%BD%C3%A1dost_o_opat%C5%99en%C3%AD/Wikipedista:Toma646_(2)&diff=12403583&oldid=12403293 - Je na místě mu dát na vědomí, že pro něj zde není místo, protože se chová, tak jak se chová.
  8. https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedista:Toma646/Archiv_diskuze_s_Wikipedistou_Toma646_(3)#Experimenty
  9. https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedista:Toma646/Archiv_diskuze_s_Wikipedistou_Toma646_(3)#D.C4.9Bkuji
  10. https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedista:Toma646/Archiv_diskuze_s_Wikipedistou_Toma646_(3)#Vulgarity - V tom případě si přečtěte poslední větu úvodu pískoviště. Komenty výše v sekci jsou jen povzbuzováním vandalů. I tady se marní čas ostatních a již v jeho žádosti o práva správce kdosi pojal podezření, že jeho chování je jen póza. Pokud skutečně někdo pojme podezření, že toto vše jsou jen sofistikovanější provokace, budou jeho účty zablokovány indef.--Zdenekk2 (diskuse) 13. 3. 2014, 14:50 (UTC)
  11. https://cs.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedie:%C5%BD%C3%A1dost_o_opat%C5%99en%C3%AD/Wikipedista:Toma646_(2)&diff=12403583&oldid=12403293 - Je na místě mu dát na vědomí, že pro něj zde není místo, protože se chová, tak jak se chová.
  12. https://cs.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Diskuse_s_wikipedistou%3AToma646&type=revision&diff=12228949&oldid=12228924 - after it my diskuse acces was too blocked
  13. https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedie:Diskuse_o_smaz%C3%A1n%C3%AD/Krakono%C5%A1_(vlak)
  14. 13. 7. 2015, 23:12 Kacir (diskuse | příspěvky) zablokoval uživatele „DeeMusil (diskuse | příspěvky)“ s časem vypršení 150 dní (vytváření účtů zablokováno) (cca 5 měsíců; porušení opatření OŮ+zákaz hodncoení https://cs.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Diskuse_s_wikipedistou:DeeMusil&diff=prev&oldid=12726889)
  15. https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cestovn%C3%AD_t%C5%99%C3%ADda_(letectv%C3%AD)