Requests for comment/Administrator's abuse of authority by Lilitik22 in Armenian WP

The following request for comments is closed. This appears to be a local matter. Local conflict-resolution mechanisms were apparently not used in this particular matter.

June 1, 2015 Armenian WP administrator Lilitik22 blocked me, user from Azerbaijan, for 7 days for edit warring in article about Azerbaijani painter Mirza Kadym Irevani and for my comment "I don't think that the historians here know more", what he estimated like violation of ethic behaviour[1]. But, first of all, after warninng of user GeoO I didn't edit an article. So blocking me for edit warring is incorrect. What about their historians, user Arman musikyan said me that I can clarify information about is the Erivan Khanate was part of Iran or not "with historians in our Wikipedia". There is a question why I should clarify it with historians in Armenian Wikipedia, when it is already was clarified in Russian and English Wikipedias, and nowone their wrote that this khanate was "part of Iran", it was depended on Kajar Iran, vassalstate, but not part of it. If historians in Armenian WP say me something different from all other WP, why should I think that they know more? And I said that him. I think, blocking me for this my normal opinion is just abuse of authority by Lilitik22, or maybe there is some possible Anti-Azerbaijani sentiment (as we know Anti-Azerbaijani sentiments is not so rare in Armenia). So, I kindly ask to estimate this situation and take actions against this administrator if possible. Regards, --Interfase (talk) 05:24, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

  • First, the user did not block you for your nationality (you have mentioned above). That is your point, to block an Armenian Wikipedian in your Wikipedia [2].
  • Second, we have promoted your artilce, if you have seen, and it is impossible to block you for editing your article.
  • Third, you have done 4 reverts in the article, while we have answered that you are not right. The answer was given in the article and in Village Pump several times - in Russian, Armenian and English. By the way, I will answer one more time. The problem was the following: you were adding the flag of Erivan Khanate, which was a part of Qajar Iran. In Armenian Wikipedia we do not add 2 flags, but only one - the state flag. The fact, that Erivan Khanate was a part of Qajar Iran, you can read here. It is written, that Iran left the Erivan khanate to Russian Empire. If the khanate was independent, as you have mentioned, the treaty will be signed with Erivan khan, not shah of Iran. Besides that, monarch of one country can not give the territory of the other sovereign state. The war is called Russian-Persian war, and not Russian-Erivan war.
  • Forth, several times you defaced Armenian Wikipedia (for instance - Hayk.arabaget turns the Armenian Wikipedia to Absourdopedia. follow the ehtic rules and communicate with me in English or in Russian.)
  • Fifth, you have done in Armenian Wikipedia after 4 reverts. Nevertheless, you were editing there.
  • Sixth, you have mentioned in your talk page, that All this information already was followed with historians in Russian Wikipedia. And nobody there claimed that the khanate was a part of Iran. I don't think that the historians here know more. That is impolite, and you should be blocked for such behavior. Besides that, I did not see any editor dispute to you about the Khanate, showing the opposite opinion. It is not a fact, that the historians have read your article and have nothing to say. So, that was only your opinion. Now you know why you are blocked, and if you continue your behavior after a week, you will be blocked once more.--Hayk.arabaget (talk) 07:33, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
  • First, I didn't see any violations in my action. So, the version about my nationality is my opinion. Of cource Lilitik22 will not say that he blocked me for my nationality. And Azerbaijani Wikipedia is not "my Wikipedia". Fot issiues their you can raise another request. Or maybe he blocked me because you showed him that some Armenian user was blocked in Azerbaijani Wikipedia? And it was a kind of revenge, isn't it?
  • Second, in all other Wikipedias about Irevani it is written that he was born in Erivan khanate, not in Iran. In all other Wikipedias about khanate it is not stated that it was part of Iran. On talk page of the article, I showed you an article about Irevani where it is atated that he was born in Erivan khanate. But you changed his country without consensus, and when I reverted your edit and then hide, but you returned this disputed information several times[3][4][5]. So, according to WP:Consensus, you, Hayk.arabaget, should be blocked for edit warring.
  • Third, I didn't defaced Armenian Wikipedia, you did that. According to your edit Irevani was born in 1825 in modetn Iran Republic (link goes there). That is an absourd. There was no any Iran in 1825 in Erivan. Also you knew that I couldn't speak Armenian but you still continued to communicate with me in Armenian. This is violating of ethic rules.
  • Forth, my opinion that historians of Armenian Wikipedia couldn't know more than historians in other Wikipedias is normal opinion. And nobody couldn't be blocked for that. Text of the document of 1828 is not reliable source, it is primary document and should be analised in secondary sources, By the way it is not stated their that Erivan Khanate "was part of Kajar Iran".
  • Sixth, I still think that my blocking was abuse of administrator duties. --Interfase (talk) 07:56, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
Also to pay attention Interfase has two editing War. Second editing War is here. Such behavior is not acceptable for Armenia Wikipedia. --Arman musikyan (talk) 07:51, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
Actually, I reverted edit of Hayk.arabaget, who removed information and reliable sources. In Russian or English Wikipedias such action might be estimated as vandalism. So, as we can see, the person whose behavior is not acceptable for Wikipedia, is only Hayk.arabaget. --Interfase (talk) 08:02, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
Also Interfase threaten our user Lilit22 saying "Say him please that if he didn't unblock me and didn't apologize for his mistaken blocking, I will request his action in meta" Who has a right to say people to apologize him ? --Arman musikyan (talk) 07:58, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
It is not threating, I warned this administrator that the result of his incorrect blocking will be request on meta. --Interfase (talk) 08:02, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

This argument is not enough for me, dear Interfase, because you also put didn't apologize for his mistaken blocking. Why user need to apologize you. Also way is Erevan place is important on article about painter ? I am not historian, but us see you started to Editing War with no more such important information, which need to reference. I can understood, if you want to see approving references w:hy:Միրզա Կադիմ Էրիվանի article for the following information
  1. 1825 (borne date)
  2. 1875 (dead date)
  3. Մասնագիտացել է ինքնակրթությամբ։
  4. Նշանակալից գործերից են՝ «Պատանու դիմանկարը», «Երիտասարդ կնոջ դիմանկարը», «Պարուհին»
This is important part. If this parts hasn't any references, why you want information for Yerevan, for what you can refer corresponding article on Wikipedaes. According that I also decided, that you started editing Wars and you need to block. --Arman musikyan (talk) 08:14, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
That informatin has references. Everything is stated on Armenian Soviet Encicpopedya. About his portraits you also can find information on other Wikipedia, e. g. in Russian. Even informanion about his place of born (Erivan khanate) had a reference. But user Hayk.arabaget removed it[6]. Is is acceptable?
Why user need to apologize you - because his action was unfair. --Interfase (talk) 08:28, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
I don't think so.--Arman musikyan (talk) 08:37, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
Firstly, let try to guess what Interfase wants editing in Armenian Wikipedia without the knowledge of Armenian language? His purpose is provocating users of Armenian Wikipedia who are trying to contact with him, but he ignores every contact, ignores rules of the Armenian Wikipedia, principles of Wikipedia, referring that don't know Armenian language. If you don't know Armenian, why are you editing in Armenian Wikipedia? With your slighting and hostile manner and behaviour you are provocating Armenian users (you are doing the same in Russian Wikipedia, everybody knows your Anti-Armenian position) for complaining such this.
Secondly, you have been periodically trying to edit in the Armenian Wikipedia since 2010 March 5. You made more than 130 edits, roughly breaking rules of ethics, rules of editings. During that time administrators of the Armenian Wikipedia have been trying to explain you be more consturctive, but you ignored their appelas. And now, when you continued your agressive style, making edit warring in Wikipedia, which working language is unfamiliar to you, you are trying to appear innocent. --Pandukht (talk) 09:24, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
His purpose is provocating users of Armenian Wikipedia - my purpose is to provide article about Irevani with correct information, like in other Wikipedias with links to reliable sourses. And this your comments is violating of ethic rules. Nobody can claim action of opponent "provocation". Please be polite.
who are trying to contact with him, but he ignores every contact - contacts were ignored by user Hayk.arabaget. I initiated a discussion about disputed information added by this user on talk page[7]. But Hayk.arabaget ignored it and continued to return disputed information without any consensus on talk page.
If you don't know Armenian, why are you editing in Armenian Wikipedia? - show me some rule that only person who knows Armenian may edit in this WP.
everybody knows your Anti-Armenian position - evidence? --Interfase (talk) 10:03, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
As one of the users of the Armenian Wikipedia who participated in discussion of the issue of article Mirza Kadym Irevani in Village pump I can state that the all steps of Interfase were aimed not in improving the article in case but in provoking the users of the Armenian Wikipedia. So I find that banning of Interfase by our admin Lilitik22 is justified. --Rob (talk) 11:49, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
On what step I provoked somebody? I asked user Hayk.arabaget for example to go to talk page and discuss disputed information there, but he prefered edit warring. I can say that user Arman musikyan saying that I can clarify information with their information was provocation, because I was blocked after my logic answer. Additionaly Lillitik added that I did edit warring, but as I explained above after warning of GeoO I didn't edit the article. The edit warring was done by user Hayk.arabaget. So, please, do not protect this admin with such weak arguments. --Interfase (talk) 12:44, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

And also when speaking about "sentiments" one should not forget about log in its own eye, see: en:Anti-Armenian sentiment in Azerbaijan --Rob (talk) 11:58, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

Well. I didn't block Lillitik22, he blocked me. --Interfase (talk) 13:05, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
Interfase, you begun edit warring in Armenian Wikipedia, then instead discussing the issue in talk page of Mirza Kadym Irevani you opened discussion in the Armenian Village pump in English without making any excuse of that. During discussion from the first line 1) you adopted aggressive tone and 2) ignored all warnings to continue communication in Armenian so all users of the Armenian Wikipedia would participate. Immediately after blocking for your destructive behavior you raised the issue in Meta-Wiki. This all gives me ground to state again that your strategic goal was NOT contributing to the development of the Armenian Wikipedia but to provoke users and pass the discussion to Meta-Wiki with the aim to waste time and cause harm in all possible ways to users of the Armenian Wikipedia.... --Rob (talk) 15:17, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
If some users of Armenian Wikipedia followed with the rules of Wikipedia, nobody wasted their time. P.S. Warning to continue communication in Armenian is ridiculous. Go to my page and look at my Babel, I don't communicate in Armenian. People you communicate with me in Armenian knowing this violate simple ethic rules. And where did you see aggressive tone? It is just normal tone of the user who felt unfair act against him. --Interfase (talk) 15:35, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
If you don't communicate in Armenian it is provided the way to assist to it: you can contact to folk in Armenian wiki Embassy and wait for one who would be ready to help you. When you edit Armenian Wiki you should be ready that your edit would not be acceptable to some users there (as you well aware Wiki is a free encyclopedia that anyone can edit) and therefore you should be ready to defend your position and provide your arguments in the Armenian language - not all Wiki users in Armenia know English. The same rule applies for all Wikis in other languages. That's elementary thing and I am surprised that you doesn't know or prefer not to take it into account... --Rob (talk) 16:07, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
Come on, user Hayk.arabaget knew Russian and English, but didn't communicate with me or in talk in that languages. Why should I go to embassy and waste there time of some users if my opponent could communicate with me in language what I can understand fully? Lillitik also knows Russian and English. So, let's stop this useless discussion. Don't waste your and my time here. --Interfase (talk) 16:27, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
Really? Interfase, you again and again refuse to understand or acknowledge that the case is not between you and Hayk.arabaget but in reaching consensus about one particular question concerning particular article in the Armenian Wiki. Can you explain how the users of the Armenian Wiki who don't know English (most of them don't) can take part in discussion about article in question and make their arguments and answer yours and vice versa how you with no knowledge of Armenian can explain them your arguments so maybe they would support you or answer their arguments? By the way, as I see from your profile that you know Russian better than English. You should be aware that as a former Soviet republic Russian is much more in use in Armenia than English. So why you choose to communicate not in Russian but in English in the Armenian Wiki? Maybe for the far-reaching goal to provoke and consequently raise the issue in Meta-Wiki? --Rob (talk) 16:44, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
If somebody ask me to communicate with him in Russian I communicate in Russian, for example with Beko in Armenian WP I communicated in Russian. --Interfase (talk) 17:36, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

I'm tired to explain the same things several times for Armenian users, who came here to protect their administrator and made flash-mob. Let's now listen somebody from Meta. --Interfase (talk) 15:35, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

  • Seems like a content dispute rather than administrator abuse. This can be solved locally. Regards.--AldNonymousBicara? 17:21, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
  • Locally their administrator already "solved" it, abusing his authorities. --Interfase (talk) 17:35, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
  • It seems you mistake my sentence, the problem is, it seems Armenian Wikipedia don't have the habit to delegate this problem to "uninvolved" admins, of course if involved admin taking an action it can be considered as abusive, hence I said this can be solved locally.--AldNonymousBicara? 10:08, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
  • OK, thanks for your response. --Interfase (talk) 18:48, 14 June 2015 (UTC)