Request for comment/Category of non-free images in Wikipedia in Aragonese wich clearly contravenes the Wikimedia Licensing Policy

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This category of 212 photographs of abandoned villages in Wikiedia in Aragonese are copyrighted, but their author has allowed them to be used in Wikipedia in Aragonese (and only there), and included in all of them a text link to his external webpage. All those images (uploaded in 2020), and the Policy about images in WP:AN that allows its use (aproved in 2021), contravene clearly the Wikimedia Licensing policy (published in 2007) that "may not be circumvented, eroded, or ignored by Wikimedia Foundation officers or staff nor local policies of any Wikimedia project".

Paragraph 3 of the WLP affirms that the exemption doctrine policy to use materials with non-free license "must be minimal. Their use, with limited exception, should be to illustrate historically significant events, to include identifying protected works such as logos, or to complement (within narrow limits) articles about copyrighted contemporary works." These photographs of abandonded villages do not belong to any of the three categories. Paragraph 3 continues especifying that: "An EDP may not allow material where we can reasonably expect someone to upload a freely licensed file for the same purpose, such as is the case for almost all portraits of living notable individuals." Refering to these abandonded villages, we can reasonable expect someone to upload a freely licensed file for the same purpose; the abandoned villages are "in situ" waiting to be photographed, as the alive (although aging) people. I have actually done so: I uploaded this free-licensed photograph, wich was rejected by the WP:AN sysop Lazaro d'Aragón to continue using another non-free one with a link to the author's blog. (Additionally, by doing so he ignored the priority expresed by the same policy: "Any content used under an EDP must be replaced with a freely licensed work whenever one is available which will serve the same educational purpose.")

In aplication of Wikimedia Licensing Policy, all the 212 images must be removed from WP in Aragonese.

Apologies and necessary context. I would ask the images to be removed in WP in Aragonese by myself, but unfortunaly I cannot, because, as I have explained in this Request for comment, I have been permanently blocked in WP in Aragonese, without right to defense, for requesting the deletion of insulting expressions addressed to me by a sysop.

One of the two reasons allegued by the WP:AN sysop Lazaro d'Aragón for blocking me was my opinion, expressed in this discussion two years ago and not repeated afterwards, that the images of that category had a kind of nationalist license, as their author allowed they to be used only in WP in one language, Aragonese, and so were not compatible with the principles of the Wikimedia movement (currently in Spain nationalist movements are based on the preferred language). Two sysops, including Lazaro d'Aragón have repeteadly qualified my former opinion as a "paranoia" (clearly violating the UCoC), and may now try to divert attention to this prior difference of opinion. Please note that my current complaint has nothing to do with it, but with the mandatory cumpliment of paragraph 3 of the Wikimedia License Policy, that I have only recently discovered. Thank you. Pompilos (talk) 16:50, 22 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Spanish) No olvide explicar también que en la Biquipedia violamos los Derechos Humanos. Después de que usted cada día ataque en Meta a la Biquipedia y me acose con menciones diarias de mi persona, sigo esperando que se me comunique la denuncia ante el Tribunal Europeo de Derechos Humanos con la que nos amenazaba. Y una vez más, me veo en la obligación, como administrador de un proyecto wikipédico, de solicitar que se tomen medidas ante alguien como el señor Pompilos, con un larguísimo historial de discusiones y amenazas a decenas de usuarios en varios proyectos wikipédicos (wikipedias española, catalana y aragonesa) que se han saldado con varias advertencias por parte de muchos administradores en los tres proyectos y con dos bloqueos por acosador en la wikipedia catalana y uno más en la Biquipedia aragonesa. La obsesión del usuario por denunciar diariamente a la Biquipedia y a mi persona ciertamente es evidente, basta con ver su historial de ediciones en Meta, cuando ya en 2021 se le explicó, por parte del User:Stanglavine, que no existe ninguna "licencia nacionalista", algo que le habían dicho ya todos y cada uno de los administradores de Biquipedia, y a pesar de ello sigue insistiendo, recibiendo esta respuesta. Dicho esto, voy a seguir con mi trabajo en la Biquipedia aragonesa, algo que ya se ve que molesta y ofende muchísimo a alguien que ve nacionalismo por todas partes menos por una, la suya, ya que el único nacionalista que se ofende porque se hablen lenguas diferentes a la suya es él. Finalmente, vuelvo a rogar que se tomen medidas para que cese esta cascada de desvaríos por parte de este usuario. Saludos, Lazaro d'Aragón (talk) 12:12, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Good luck, if this thread is not closed by the sysops (what is the most probable seeing the success of your previous requests) you will have to explain the guys in "en" Wikipedia (among others like "ca", "it", "pt"...) that they should also delete hundred of thousand of images contained in 22 categories with different non-free "English-nationalist" licenses ;-) --Willtron (talk) 13:22, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If this problem persis, then I would rather

Support closure of their local upload function, at least for the foreseable future. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 15:10, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Liuxinyu970226, what do you exactly mean with "if this problem persists"? The thing is that there's no problem, we act inside the legality, following the policy voted by our comunity and doing anything different that has not been done in other Wikipedias like en, it, pt... This has been repeatedly confirmed by stewards (here and here for example). The only problem here is that Pompilos has thrown a tantrum and refuses to admit that he is not right. --Willtron (talk) 06:33, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Spanish) El único problema que persiste es el acoso de un usuario que ha tomado por costumbre presentar una denuncia diaria contra la Biquipedia aragonesa y contra sus administradores. Estoy ya muy cansado de acosos y amenazas por parte del usuario, con una conducta disruptiva y de maltrato hacia usuarios y administradores de varios proyectos que ha merecido advertencias en tres proyectos wikipédicos y bloqueos en dos de ellos. Ruego se deje de alimentar la obsesión política ultranacionalista del usuario, que demuestra ser incapaz de colaborar en forma constructiva en proyectos wikipédicos en idiomas diferentes al suyo, y ruego una vez más que se tomen medidas para que cese esta situación de acoso. Es ciertamente lamentable que ante la denuncia de un usuario con su problemático historial, que incluye vandalismos consistentes en introducir información falsa en la Biquipedia, haya quien crea que la solución es darle la razón. Al usuario se le ha explicado tanto aquí como en la Biquipedia, por administradores de la Biquipedia y de Meta, lo infundado de su pretensión y sin embargo insiste una y otra vez obsesivamente en el mismo tema. Lazaro d'Aragón (talk) 13:27, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

To whom it may concern. As I predicted, WP:AN sysops (Lazaro d'Aragon and Wiltron) have tried to divert attention from the complaint. They did it in two ways: 1) mentioning the discussion held two years ago about whether the licensing of these images had a nationalistic bias or not, and 2) accusing me of harassment and acting out of hatred for a language (Lazaro d'Aragon considers a harassment to defend myself against abuse of power and to demand compliance with WLP rules).

The only allegation (barely) related to current complaint is Wiltron's claim that other wikipedias, such as the English WP, also have non-free images. But I have not denounced that non-free images are not allowed in WP, but that point 3 of the WPL limits its use to very restricted cases that the 212 images clearly contravene. In conclusion, no WP:AN sysop has provided any legitimate argument against my complaint.

Furthermore, Wiltron is lying when he claims that two stewards have confirmed that the license for theese images is correct: a) the consultation he refers to was not this one about the violation of paragraf 3 of the WLP, but the previous one about the alleged nationalism of the license, b) the first intervention was the opinion of a single user, not a steward, and c) the second one of a steward who did not give any opinion, but closed the consultation because that was not the right place to present it. Pompilos (talk) 17:30, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Spanish) No voy a molestarme en volverle a explicar otra vez más lo que se le ha explicado una y otra vez, por múltiples usuarios y administradores en tres proyectos distintos desde hace ya más de dos años. Si usted no quiere entenderlo es su problema. Lazaro d'Aragón (talk) 19:06, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Spanish) Lo mismo, yo me canso ya de dar vueltas y discutir sobre lo mismo y que cualquier palabra sea usada para atacar. No volveré a escribir ni contestar aquí a ninguna acusación para alimentar a una persona que solo busca eso, confrontación. Seguiré trabajando en la Wikipedia en aragonés, como llevo haciendo ya casi 20 años sin molestar a nadie, con cientos de miles de contribuciones en varias Wikipedias y miles de artículos creados, cientos de fotos y gráficos subidos a Commons (algunos premiados). Mientras el usuario Pompilos acumula bloqueos en al menos dos proyectos y conflictos en algunos otros, siempre con actitud amenazante hacia administradores y otros usuario. No hay más que ver su historial y comprobar que es un usuario con unas ganas obsesivas de polémica y conflicto, como aquí está demostrando continuamente. Au! Que vaiga bueno! Saludos --Willtron (talk) 22:12, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In my complaint I forgot to point out that the fact that all 212 images have a link to the external website of their author can be considered a case of SPAM. This is especially reprehensible because these images with what can be considered SPAM were uploaded to WP:AN by the sysop Willtron. However, over the years, this sysop has blocked 98 IPs and users for "Putting links or junk on pages" (in Aragonese "Meter sinconisions u basuera enas pachinas") and 15 for "SPAM" (113 in total), and the sysop Lazaro d'Aragón has blocked 4 for "Making publicity including links to other websites" (in Aragonese "Fer publicidat ficando vinclos con atras pachinas web"). In other words, they have allowed themselves (and the author of the images) what they have legitimately forbidden to others. Pompilos (talk) 20:27, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please note that on the external website to which the text links included in the photographs lead, at the bottom right of the page, 10 of the author's books are advertised, including three books on the same subject as the category of the photographs (Abandoned villages in Huesca), with links to the publisher's website where they are sold, with price and shipping conditions, such as this, this and this. Using wikipedia in this way is completely against the rules. Pompilos (talk) 13:51, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support deleting any non fair use images from Aragonese Wikipedia (this would include the 212 abandoned villages photos if they can be retaken). Also support getting rid of the weird "Images with copyright, but authorized" section in the policy. If neither of these things are done then I support turning off local uploads to Aragonese Wikipedia, at least for the foreseable future.--Commander Keane (talk) 00:54, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I don't care about external links on file description pages, as far as I know they are allowed on Commmons. However, on Commons you can crop/remove watermarks which is highly beneficial. Commander Keane (talk) 00:59, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]