Grants talk:Project/WikiProject X/CollaborationKit MVP/Final

Shit happens, learn from it. Better luck next time, and don't lose any more sleep over it. Cheers, · · · Peter (Southwood) ^(talk): 05:39, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

I'm very sorry. Don't be hard on yourself: building an extension for the English Wikipedia is hard and almost never succeeds, as we experienced many times. It's too much of a waterfall and it takes a lot of effort to have some constant user feedback and product management without the quick update cycles that an external tool allows to provide. The conclusion is right that this cannot be done by a person alone: it's not just about the time allotted, it's the need to have some constant peer feedback. Nemo 07:45, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

@Nemo bis: Which is another reason a proper team has all these different roles! Agh! -— Isarra ༆ 14:25, 8 October 2019 (UTC)

Great report - A+ perfect score

Many Wikimedia community grant reports should be like this. Thanks for setting a precedent and contributing to an environment where more people can talk about such challenges sooner and where without shame more people can publish such reports.

This kind of project outcome is common in the Wikimedia community. More typical outcomes are (1) spinning it to be positive (2) user drops out of wiki community (3) silence (4) contributing to an ambiance of weirdness.

I feel that the WMF should lead the way in publishing these kinds of reports. All projects have risk, and the Wiki community takes risks. Risk takers by definition usually fail. Failure of stated goals is not bad, especially when it surfaces information about the scope of the challenge.

I give this project an A+ passing grade for identifying the meaningful insight for this project. This project did not consume much money spent in the context of our available resources, excellent demonstrations made, and excellent reporting. If there were a meaningful way to fund someone explicitly to fail and get this kind of insight then I would support that; of course it does not work unless it is unintentional. Blue Rasberry (talk) 16:22, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

Whatever the case, we absolutely need to get better, as a movement, at actually reporting this stuff when it does happen. As volunteers, as grantees, as staff... there have been so many failed projects. There is so much we could be learning from them. -— Isarra ༆ 21:56, 9 November 2019 (UTC)