Grants talk:Programs
Latest comment: 10 days ago by DSaroyan (WMF) in topic New design
New design
editHey, shoot out to the new design ! It's a clean way to share each grant type's core specifics.
[EDIT:] The recent redesign introduce information in a more efficient, applicants-centered way. It therefore largely depreciates {{Grants}}, which had similar purpose with less elegant design. Three / four programs having de facto roles as support grants are still gathered in {{Grants}} and not visible in Grants:Programs. It is important to point users toward those helpful support resources. How should we proceed ?
| The template previously cited here –{{Grants}}–, listing major WMF grants with grant budget, next deadline, who, how, has be supersede by Grants:Programs, Grants:Alternatives, and Grants. The template has therefore been speedy deleted due to obsolescence. |
Yug (talk) 11:09, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
Adding other programs ?
edit@DSaroyan hello, would it be ok to add other programs using the same format ? I could convert the Grants programs above to the new format. From an user-point-of-view, the Google Summer of Code and Outreachy looks like technology grants ; the Alliance fund and Wikimedia France's Micro-fi as well. Yug (talk) 12:43, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- I just noticed you willfully removed the Alliance fund. Is it depreciated ?
- Anyway, the code below is my proposal, edit and use what you feel suits. Yug (talk) 13:20, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- Hi @Yug, thanks so much for your feedback and requests. I want to confirm that I received and read your messages. I'll talk to my team and let you know what we think next week. DSaroyan (WMF) (talk) 15:41, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- Hi @Yug, thanks again for your suggestions and sorry for the delayed reply.
- Alliances Fund - Yes, I confirm that it is no longer active. We will be sending an announcement about it in the upcoming months.
- Other funding programs on the Grants:Programs page - We prefer having only programs supported by the Community Resources on that page, but we are glad to support another page with those additional projects/programs. The reasons we prefer keeping our programs on a separate page are:
- There are more funding programs than what you mentioned. You can take a look at the Grants page. There are more micro-grants programs supported by many movement affiliates. Adding them on the Programs page with the current format will complicate the page.
- It will be hard to maintain. Even the Grants page has outdated content. There are also other micro-grants programs by movement affiliates that are not listed even on the Grants page.
- Some of the projects are not grant programs. For example, Outreachy is an internship program, Google Summer of Code seems to be a learning program with stipends.
- As I mentioned, I'll be happy to help with updating Grants or another page. If it helps, I'll also explicitly mention on the Grants:Programs that it only lists programs supported by the Community Resources, and link the page with other grant programs in the movement. DSaroyan (WMF) (talk) 06:22, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
- Hi @Yug, thanks again for your suggestions and sorry for the delayed reply.
- Hi @Yug, thanks so much for your feedback and requests. I want to confirm that I received and read your messages. I'll talk to my team and let you know what we think next week. DSaroyan (WMF) (talk) 15:41, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- @DSaroyan (WMF) thank you for those answers.
- Alliances Fund: may I encourage your team to declare it closed asap. When open it creates distraction. Also, closed programs needs clearer visuals hints they are closed. The top-of-page blue-grey "Archive" message box is not visible enough.
- For other non-Wikimedia programs I'm moving ahead with Grants:Alternatives. We need Wikimedians contributors like me and others to have the smoothest path possible toward resources, be it WMF, Google or else. This page will be a complement to Grants:Programs. It will specified clearly the scope of both pages. For simplicity sake it will reuse the user-centered updated design of the {{CR Funds Card}}.
- Thank you for your answer, it allows agile progress quite quickly. Yug (talk) 11:13, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Yug thank you!
- Alliances Fund: Of course! I passed it to my team. I'm waiting for the official announcement to mark the program as retired and historical.
- Grants:Alternatives: Go for it! Feel free to reuse {{CR Funds Card}}. I'll make sure to update the Grants:Program with additional details.
- DSaroyan (WMF) (talk) 12:00, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Yug thank you!
- cc DSaroyan
- Ok ! So I pushed forward as my usual but I only now noticed there are 10 times more local grants programs than I expected. So yes, you are right, no way to upgrade Grants to the card visuals. I will find a convergence and merge those. Likely remove the WMFR microfi card and merge the GSoC and Outreachy cards into Grants.
- Grants:Programs – WMF programs
- Grants:Alternatives – Tech internship, fit the gap for withdrawn WM Tech fund.
- Grants – disambiguation page with list of local grants, could be forked into Grants:Local if i18n of the wikipage can be migrated.
- {{Grants}} – list table to remove since Cards on Grants:Programs & Grants:Alternatives and the clean table on Grants are clean enough already.
- When mature, we can then cross references via wiki links. Yug (talk) 16:14, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
- Hi @Yug, thank you. There are more micro-funding programs than what is mentioned on Grants. If your plan is to keep Grants:Alternatives only for tech-related programs, then maybe we can change the name to something that reflects this idea? Otherwise, I think "Alternatives" word can be confusing.
- Also, as I mentioned above, these projects are not always "funding programs". They are closer to support opportunities/projects or learning programs, than grants. I'm saying this because I wouldn't want to have a page that suggests we have "Other Tech Grants", though what we have are not grant programs. DSaroyan (WMF) (talk) 09:55, 25 October 2024 (UTC)