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--- Log opened Wed May 23 22:02:10 2007 22:02:23 * Martinp23 has a log open 22:03:13 Platonide ) pong 22:03:27 HistoryBu ) pong pong 22:03:51 Topic for #wikimedia-cpg: Wikimedia Communication Projects Group | http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/ComProj | Meetings are being held every Wednesday, 2030 UTC (9:30 PM BST) | Note: Channel logs will be public 22:03:51 Topic set by Martinp23  [Wed May 16 21:59:57 2007] 22:05:12 seanw ) Martinp23, thanks 22:05:33 seanw ) OKay I have my notes. 22:05:38 seanw ) First, who is here and who isn't? 22:05:48 seanw ) [20:40:57] [@ChanServ ] [ HistoryBuff] [ LeBron ] [ Platonides] [ unilinky] 22:05:52 seanw ) [20:40:57] [ cary-office ] [ husky ] [ Martinp23] [ seanw ] 22:05:53 seanw ) ^ please indicate if alive 22:05:56 seanw ) [20:40:57] [ CraigSpurrier] [ jtico ] [ newmanbe ] [ symode09 ] 22:06:08 * HistoryBuff seems lucid 22:06:09 jtico ) pong 22:06:11 * Martinp23 checks pulse 22:06:16 * husky alive 22:06:17 cary-offi ) barely 22:06:26 * Platonides espires 22:06:28 CraigSpur ) I am here 22:06:28 * LeBron breathes. 22:06:48 HistoryBu ) symode09: ping 22:07:07 jtico ) :( 22:08:34 seanw ) Okay 22:08:41 seanw ) Someone who is more awake than me list who didn't answer? :) 22:09:18 cary-offi ) newmanbe: 22:09:21 cary-offi ) Symode09 is probably snoring 22:09:36 cary-offi ) Symode09 Symode09 Symode09 Symode09 Symode09 22:09:44 cary-offi ) He says his PC is on full volume 22:09:46 HistoryBu ) Sandy is absent too 22:09:52 cary-offi ) Sandy will return on Tuesday 22:10:05 cary-offi ) Her mother was very ill and has now passed away 22:10:09 cary-offi ) The funeral was today. 22:10:13 seanw ) cary-office, please send condolences 22:10:23 HistoryBu ) :( yes, sorry to hear that. 22:10:26 seanw ) cary-office, I'll leave you to explain what we've been up to (if anything) rather than hammering with e-mails 22:10:29 jtico ) ho wow, :( 22:10:42 Martinp23 ) :( - condolences from me too (in fact, from us all, I'm sure) 22:10:50 * newmanbe was signing for a package and is here. 22:10:55 cary-offi ) Will do 22:11:00 newmanbe ) But I'm not a member, so it doesn't really matter. 8) 22:11:48 seanw ) newmanbe, sorry, do you want me to add you? 22:11:57 seanw ) cary-office, so: ComProj send their condolences :) 22:12:00 * newmanbe is just observing for now. 22:12:04 seanw ) Right, I'll move on if that's okay. 22:12:04 cary-offi ) indeed 22:12:14 jtico ) seanw: yes 22:12:15 seanw ) I want to move a bit faster in order to 'force' us to get some good stuff out. 22:12:23 seanw ) First item was symode09 22:12:26 seanw ) I guess we'll pass on that. 22:12:37 cary-offi ) he'll be so upset 22:12:41 seanw ) Next was Martinp23 and Wikiwx search engine - wnt to talk mart? :) 22:12:52 Martinp23 ) If I must :) 22:13:21 husky ) do you have a demo / link somewhere online to view? 22:13:35 Martinp23 ) Some of you may know of a new search engine being developed by the same great guys who are bringing us the cd releases of Wikipedia 22:13:59 Martinp23 ) It uses up to date data, and is tailored to mediawikis: http://www.wikiwix.com 22:14:47 Martinp23 ) So, for example: http://www.wikiwix.com/?lang=en&action=paris 22:14:57 seanw ) So it *actually works*? 22:15:09 Martinp23 ) Has small image thumbnails, and if you click that small compass icon, you get smething nice :) 22:15:10 seanw ) Unlike Special:Search due to server load :) 22:15:16 Martinp23 ) seanw: Surprisingly :) 22:15:20 newmanbe ) It does not seem to search Wikimedia Commons. 22:15:26 Martinp23 ) It's the decent search engine we never had 22:15:53 Martinp23 ) newmanbe: It just does Wikipedia-en at the moment, I think 22:15:53 seanw ) newmanbe, we have tangotango's mayflower for that 22:16:03 seanw ) Martinp23, so how do you think comproj should be involved with this? 22:16:24 Martinp23 ) newmanbe: Actually it does all languages of wp, but I can suggest commons and other projects 22:16:57 cary-offi ) press release? 22:17:13 husky ) the image search engine seems to be a bit heavy (in terms of load times), at least on my browser 22:17:29 Martinp23 ) seanw: basically, just offer it to your home project and see if you can get it on MediaWiki pages (etc), and spread the word about it. 22:17:45 newmanbe ) It gives me fair use images too, which I suppose it what you want... 22:18:08 cary-offi ) Isn't the Kiwi a symbol of New Zealand? 22:18:31 husky ) having a license aside from the image would be good addition 22:18:57 seanw ) cary-office, how far can we do those? 22:19:08 Martinp23 ) hehe - the Wiki-side of the company is called "Kiwix", I think, so hence the appearance of the kiwi 22:19:19 seanw ) Martinp23, right, so, how do you want to use comproj as comproj, rather than just a group of people? :-) 22:19:19 cary-offi ) do what? 22:19:21 cary-offi ) press releases? 22:19:24 cary-offi ) I think I really mean well-crafted annoncements 22:19:30 seanw ) Ah gotya 22:19:32 seanw ) We cfan do those. 22:19:33 cary-offi ) carefully spammed across the projects 22:19:33 Martinp23 ) cary-office: Exactly :) 22:20:16 * Martinp23 hoped to have his contact, pm27, in here, but he seems to be eating 22:20:53 seanw ) Okay let's move on in that case. 22:20:56 seanw ) Thansk Martinp23 22:21:10 Martinp23 ) For the francophones of you, I do have a link - one moment please seanw :) 22:21:14 newmanbe ) Their default font size is tiny. 22:21:16 seanw ) Oh alright 22:21:19 newmanbe ) And is broken at large sizes... 22:21:59 husky ) i have some problems using the atlas search option, although the results it gives are pretty cool 22:23:20 seanw ) Martinp23, I'm going to have to push you, as Chris Tarrant says :) 22:23:42 newmanbe ) It also presents wiki markup as wikimarkup. 22:23:50 cary-offi ) Interesting 22:24:09 Martinp23 ) seanw: go ahead - it seems to have vanished :) 22:24:26 newmanbe ) And has an advertisement for their Wikipedi DVD. 8) 22:24:38 newmanbe ) Using Flash... 22:24:45 seanw ) Right 22:24:50 seanw ) Next thing is how we are linking with Wikimania 22:25:01 seanw ) Craig Spurrier? 22:25:10 * seanw looks up nick *hides* 22:25:13 cary-offi ) Flash? 22:25:32 newmanbe ) Adobe/Macromedia Flash. 22:25:47 cary-offi ) I mean... FLASH? 22:25:59 husky ) ? 22:26:01 Platonide ) it's not free... booo... 22:26:13 cary-offi ) I'm sorry all, I have to leave. 22:26:15 jtico ) :( 22:26:15 CraigSpur ) I am not sure exactly what to say about it, but I think we should be involved/more involved in with Wikimania PR stuff 22:26:17 cary-offi ) I didn't have anything anyway 22:26:30 cary-offi ) Nothing real 22:26:36 seanw ) cary-office, okay, thanks, cya! 22:26:47 seanw ) CraigSpurrier, that makes sense. 22:26:51 husky ) bye 22:26:58 Martinp23 ) (sorry to drop in: http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Pmartin/Wikiwix ) 22:26:59 seanw ) I would suggest we establish a contact for Wikimania <> ComProj 22:27:00 Martinp23 ) bye 22:27:13 seanw ) Any volunteers? 22:27:21 newmanbe ) What would said contact do? 22:27:47 HistoryBu ) seanw: Does the PR person have to be attending? 22:27:53 HistoryBu ) If not, I will. 22:27:54 jtico ) Well, IIRC shiste said he would be our contact with wikimania 22:27:58 symode09 ) here ::'( 22:28:08 cary-offi ) Symode09: You made it!!! 22:28:10 cary-offi ) Finally 22:28:24 symode09 ) srry, i a,m smashed 22:28:25 cary-offic x [n=carybass@wikimedia/Bastique] has quit irc  22:28:34 seanw ) symode09, think you can do your bit? 22:28:36 CraigSpur ) I would imagine they would help with the press inquires as well as help ensuring the public Wikimania site and contact is professional (mostly copy editing and fighting vandalism) 22:29:10 symode09 ) kk, whan do you want me to edit 22:29:20 CraigSpur ) It would also be nice to try to ensure that the contact information for all members of the press that contact the Wikimaina people get added to our database. 22:29:43 HistoryBu ) symode09: lol. wait, let's finish this wikimania thing, then do your video spiel 22:29:57 symode09 ) \kk 22:30:04 HistoryBu ) CraigSpurrier: Where is "our database"? 22:30:23 seanw ) CraigSpurrier, presslist, you mean? 22:30:31 CraigSpur ) the press contact list on google documents 22:30:33 CraigSpur ) yes 22:31:00 HistoryBu ) URL? 22:31:24 CraigSpur ) Sandy needs to send you an invite to use it 22:31:47 HistoryBu ) Ah ok 22:32:03 HistoryBu ) So, that's in limbo until next Tuesday 22:32:04 HistoryBu ) :) 22:32:48 HistoryBu ) Was schiste going to be the point person? I'll defer to him, if that is so. 22:33:07 symode09 ) :s - I'm still recovering - the house was being knocked over by the pvt. messages 22:33:16 CraigSpur ) having more people doing RC patrol and copyediting on the wikimania site would probably be good as well 22:34:31 CraigSpur ) I am a bit concerned that the Wikimania people may not know the they have comproj available to help. Anyone know if anyone has contacted them about it? 22:34:40 HistoryBu ) true enough. Should someone ping him and confirm? 22:34:57 HistoryBu ) CraigSpurrier: I've not seen anything on planning-l about it. 22:35:03 HistoryBu ) Sandy is on that list though. 22:35:11 symode09 ) Should I contact them? 22:35:17 HistoryBu ) So, that might be mute when she returns. 22:35:27 seanw ) Okay 22:35:33 seanw ) I think schiste wants to bne that guy 22:35:36 seanw ) Can we move on>? 22:35:41 symode09 ) kk 22:35:45 CraigSpur ) sure 22:35:53 HistoryBu ) seanw: ok ... should we ping him on that? 22:36:24 seanw ) Yes, we can use the list after the meeting to round up stuff like that. 22:36:35 seanw ) That is everything project related 22:36:38 seanw ) Next is simply us. 22:36:40 HistoryBu ) k. please proceed 22:36:42 seanw ) Where are we going? 22:36:54 HistoryBu ) Rule the universe? :) 22:37:00 symode09 ) :s - I'm lost 22:37:26 HistoryBu ) I think better inter-project co-operation ... and communication ... should be a key strategy 22:37:37 HistoryBu ) symode09: we're following an agenda 22:37:55 symode09 ) i see 22:38:42 HistoryBu ) We had chatted about a strategy paper, or something of that sort. 22:39:16 jtico ) Are the other WMF projects aware of our existence? 22:39:43 HistoryBu ) jtico: No one that I know at WV knew ... and we are a pretty small project. 22:40:28 jtico ) Yes, you are right 22:40:51 HistoryBu ) CPG should be a means though, not an end. 22:41:16 HistoryBu ) If people find out about CPG through the work we do, I think that is the best way. 22:41:30 husky ) definitely 22:41:40 jtico ) sounds good 22:42:28 HistoryBu ) Now we need some of the tactical "doing" stuff to get that happening :) 22:42:41 seanw ) Definately. 22:42:46 seanw ) How about our methodology? 22:42:53 seanw ) How much do we want to use meetings and the list etc.? 22:43:33 symode09 ) btw, can we find another time to meet/have 2 meetings - this is killing me 22:44:09 seanw ) Right, yes 22:44:23 seanw ) I propose we make mailing list primary and meetings secondary, rather than the other way round. 22:44:26 seanw ) Thoughts? 22:44:56 husky ) it depends on what we want to do 22:45:07 Martinp23 ) Yes - the best way to have meetings would be on an "as and when needed" basis, with them being arranged to fit around those who need to attend, with prior discussion 22:45:23 symode09 ) I think we need to use the project discussion page more 22:45:38 jtico ) We could use one of the proyect discussion pages to agree about this 22:45:40 husky ) a mailing list is probably better for long pieces, large discussions, announcements, etcetera 22:46:48 husky ) while irc is better if you want to make appointments, have a discussion which requires input at a faster rate, go trough a lot of items quickly 22:47:12 jtico ) or brainstorming 22:47:23 seanw ) So 22:47:23 husky ) yes 22:47:26 seanw ) Project takl page more? 22:47:34 seanw ) Mailing list for announcements, talk page for dicsussion, IRC when needed? 22:47:57 jtico ) sounds good to me 22:48:00 HistoryBu ) I think we should use the wiki more 22:48:03 husky ) maybe we could only do IRC meetings when we have a few items which require a lot of attention from many people in a short time 22:48:37 HistoryBu ) We're a wiki based initiative, the mailing list should be a tickler for the wiki. 22:48:44 HistoryBu ) IMHO, of course 22:49:02 husky ) a talk page is especially handy if you want to share media files 22:49:16 husky ) although it does have it's disadvantages too 22:49:20 HistoryBu ) I'm a bit lagged, sorry .. catching up 22:49:29 seanw ) So, my plan makes sense? 22:49:32 seanw ) Anyone else want to comment> 22:49:58 HistoryBu ) I think it's good to have some planning session in IRC 22:50:17 HistoryBu ) the "doing" is more suited for the wiki. 22:50:56 jtico ) yes 22:51:16 seanw ) Right 22:51:20 seanw ) So, let's wrap this up for tonight 22:51:23 seanw ) Martinp23, pleas publish logs 22:51:38 seanw ) I will post to list (hopefulyl) on what we have discussed for hte enegit of others. 22:51:38 symode09 ) kk, srry bout tonigh 22:51:47 seanw ) And with that, good night, meeting closed! ~~~~ 22:51:52 seanw ) symode09, np 22:52:00 husky ) so can we conclude that mailing list = discussion & announcements, wiki talk page = doing things, irc = occasional meetings? 22:52:17 symode09 ) kk, cya 22:52:31 * symode09 collapses on floor 22:52:32 husky ) cya 22:52:40 HistoryBu ) husky: yes 22:52:46 Platonide ) xD bye 22:52:48 husky ) ok 22:52:50 symode09 x [firstname.lastname@example.org] has quit irc ["ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 184.108.40.206/2007030919]"] 22:53:38 Martinp23 ) seanw: Certainly 22:54:17 * Platonides thinks about joining the mailing list 22:54:22 seanw ) nn all