Wikivoyage/Lounge/Archive/2013-04
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Social media
I notice the twitter account http://twitter.com/wikivoyage still uses the old logo and description?
Also there are several Wikivoyage facebook pages - and I'm not sure which is the official one - http://www.facebook.com/wikivoyage goes to a German language one (again, with the old logo). -- Chuq (talk) 06:28, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
- Yeah. I've noticed it last weekend. This reminds me to my duties. Thanks. I will change it. -- DerFussi 12:03, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
- I have renamed our old wikivoyage facebook site to the "Wikivoyage - deutsch" because its related to the German content. After getting some likes I have grabbed an other Facebook page: [1]. This one can be used for the whole project. Anybody interested in admin it? I suffer from lack of time. You can contact/add me on facebook ([2]). -- DerFussi 12:12, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
- It may be best to have just one per language; I'm not sure how a multi-language page would work. I created and admin'ed the Wikitravel FB page until I handed it over to IBobi; I've been thinking about setting one up for English Wikivoyage too. LtPowers (talk) 15:21, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
- Sounds good. I've just grabbed the other one just because of somebody use the like button. Facebook seems to display pages even when somebody did not created it. -- DerFussi 08:57, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
- You guys may be interested in a discussion I started a few days ago here. I wasn't even aware of this discussion. We're planning on making one Wikivoyage English Facebook page with the name "Wikivoyage", and preferably the domain facebook.com/wikivoyage, although that leads to the de page right now. As English is generally the lingua franca of the internet, I think cross-wiki issues are best broadcast through that page. Also, there are methods on Facebook to claim ownership of the various pages and create one, unified page through merging, something we'd want to look into. JamesA (talk) 06:22, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
- Notice - In case anyone missed it, Wikivoyage English now has an official, regularly-updated Facebook page at [3]. Please go ahead and like us! :) JamesA (talk) 12:12, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
Tagline
(Copied from voy:Wikivoyage:Travellers'_pub#Tagline)
From the comments above it looks like we're going to need a new tagline. If possible, can we try and make it short and it would probably would help if it weren't idiomatic. Here's a couple of thoughts: 'Liberating travel'; 'Set travel free'; 'Travel Freedom'. Any more ideas? --Nick (talk) 18:25, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
- Travellers helping travellers. Texugo (talk) 18:40, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
- My vote goes with the above. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 18:50, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) There was some discussion earlier at Talk:Wikivoyage/Logo#Tagline issue, but it didn't go anywhere. The other languages should probably have some input; maybe we can talk about it at Wikivoyage/Lounge? LtPowers (talk) 18:43, 18 March 2013 (UTC)Links to Meta fixed. πr2 (t • c) 00:26, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
- Why don't we ask Legal if using "The free travel guide" is likely to cause legal trouble? If it is not, then I think we may want to just go ahead and use the tag line _we_ always have. It describes _us_. _We_ made it (or, um, who did?). _Who_ owns it? Peter or Powers, would one of you ask WMF Legal please? I don't feel quite entitled to do so myself; am I being too modest? --Rogerhc (talk) 23:26, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
- When proposals were being made for WV logos, legal removed "The Free Travel Guide" from all of them out of legal concerns. Anyway, why should we insist on having the same tagline as our nemesis, who has incorporated into the logo on every page of their site? Texugo (talk) 11:26, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
- I do like 'Travellers helping travellers' - I think it's very clear and effective, but also gives as slight hint at this project's history. --Nicholasjf21 (talk) 12:40, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
- @Rogerhd: I am in contact with the General Counsel of the WMF. Should I ask him? I absolutely agree. The "Free travel guide" is fine to me as well. -- DerFussi 07:01, 20 March 2013 (UTC)
- User K7L commented in the English Wikivoyage pub that Wikipedia's tagline is "the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit", so Wikimedia clearly has an established right to that branding, and thus it seems that legally we would have as much (and probably more) right to the "the free worldwide travel guide that anyone can edit" tagline than any other site would. It would be great to get a legal opinion on the matter, but it doesn't seem like we're the site that should have to change, and thus I'd prefer to keep the existing tagline. -- Ryan • (talk) • 16:11, 20 March 2013 (UTC)
- We should come up with another tagline that is in line with the other wikimedia projects. Instead of copying the tagline of a project that like very like wikivoyage. Carsrac (talk) 20:37, 20 March 2013 (UTC)
- We editors and maintainers are the living project. The host is just a shell. Our former host owns a trademark and a domain name, that's it. We replace those with new, but not the rest. I say our tag line is part of what we keep. It always has and still does described what we are doing. No one has a trademark on "The Free /anything/". It's just a description. We have a moral obligation to stand up for our rights. We have a right to use "The Free Travel Guide," as does anyone else I would think. All the same, on www.wikivoyage.org Mock 1 I used just "Travel Guide" in its 11 translations because I like it better and find it less cluttered there, for that particularly repetitive page's purposes. --Rogerhc (talk) 04:47, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
- How about 'The Open Travel Guide'? - most people assume everything on the web these days is free, so I think 'open' is a more important description. Plus it highlights a quality that another wiki-based online travel guide does not always espouse! --Nicholasjf21 (talk) 14:12, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
- Quite good idea. I would support it, if its not too similar to the "Free Travel Guide" one. Is suppose "The free travel guide" is not an option, although i would love it. -- DerFussi 08:47, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
- Or how about 'The Traveller's Travel Guide'? --Nicholasjf21 (talk) 13:10, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
- Quite good idea. I would support it, if its not too similar to the "Free Travel Guide" one. Is suppose "The free travel guide" is not an option, although i would love it. -- DerFussi 08:47, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
- How about 'The Open Travel Guide'? - most people assume everything on the web these days is free, so I think 'open' is a more important description. Plus it highlights a quality that another wiki-based online travel guide does not always espouse! --Nicholasjf21 (talk) 14:12, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
- We editors and maintainers are the living project. The host is just a shell. Our former host owns a trademark and a domain name, that's it. We replace those with new, but not the rest. I say our tag line is part of what we keep. It always has and still does described what we are doing. No one has a trademark on "The Free /anything/". It's just a description. We have a moral obligation to stand up for our rights. We have a right to use "The Free Travel Guide," as does anyone else I would think. All the same, on www.wikivoyage.org Mock 1 I used just "Travel Guide" in its 11 translations because I like it better and find it less cluttered there, for that particularly repetitive page's purposes. --Rogerhc (talk) 04:47, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
- We should come up with another tagline that is in line with the other wikimedia projects. Instead of copying the tagline of a project that like very like wikivoyage. Carsrac (talk) 20:37, 20 March 2013 (UTC)
- User K7L commented in the English Wikivoyage pub that Wikipedia's tagline is "the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit", so Wikimedia clearly has an established right to that branding, and thus it seems that legally we would have as much (and probably more) right to the "the free worldwide travel guide that anyone can edit" tagline than any other site would. It would be great to get a legal opinion on the matter, but it doesn't seem like we're the site that should have to change, and thus I'd prefer to keep the existing tagline. -- Ryan • (talk) • 16:11, 20 March 2013 (UTC)
- @Rogerhd: I am in contact with the General Counsel of the WMF. Should I ask him? I absolutely agree. The "Free travel guide" is fine to me as well. -- DerFussi 07:01, 20 March 2013 (UTC)
- I do like 'Travellers helping travellers' - I think it's very clear and effective, but also gives as slight hint at this project's history. --Nicholasjf21 (talk) 12:40, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
- When proposals were being made for WV logos, legal removed "The Free Travel Guide" from all of them out of legal concerns. Anyway, why should we insist on having the same tagline as our nemesis, who has incorporated into the logo on every page of their site? Texugo (talk) 11:26, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
- Why don't we ask Legal if using "The free travel guide" is likely to cause legal trouble? If it is not, then I think we may want to just go ahead and use the tag line _we_ always have. It describes _us_. _We_ made it (or, um, who did?). _Who_ owns it? Peter or Powers, would one of you ask WMF Legal please? I don't feel quite entitled to do so myself; am I being too modest? --Rogerhc (talk) 23:26, 18 March 2013 (UTC)