User:Robertinventor/ExampleANINotification

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This is an example to illustrate the idea: Grants:IdeaLab/Require notification first to encourage editors to attempt to resolve things amicably before banning

Example warning

Perhaps it may help to show how this would work with an example of a warning (would be done using templates). Experienced wikipedians please feel free to edit this to look more professional.

So first, this would be inserted into the discussion where the problem occurs, or on the talk page of an article which has problem editing. In this example, it's a warning in context of a talk page discussion where the VerboseEditor is writing posts that are far too long.

... long verbose post ... VerboseEditor 11:09, 1st January 2016 (UTC)}}

@VerboseEditor: Warning of intent to take you to ANI. Your posts are too long and they make the discussion hard for other editors to follow Let's see if we can solve this amicably first. Please discuss this on your talk page here, SuccintDude 12:11, 1st January 2016 (UTC)

... Discussion continues, hopefully with shorter posts by VerboseEditor

There is no more discussion of the warning there, but the link here leads you to the talk page for VerboseEditor where SuccintDude does a longer post:

Friendly one week warning of intent to take you to ANI

Warning of intent to take you to ANI. Your posts are too long and they make the discussion hard for other editors to follow.

Can we discuss how to deal with this issue? It's best if we settle this amicably, see the suggestions below.
If we can't resolve it, I will be able to take you to ANI one week from this date. This warning expires after four weeks, if no action is taken.

Here are some friendly suggestions for how to deal with this issue
(editors are encouraged to add friendly suggestions for consideration at this point, here are some examples))

Extended content

You could try editing your posts in your user space first before posting them (better than editing on the talk page because it overwhelms the edit history to do taht)
Reduce the number of posts per day. One or two long posts can be fine but a dozen long posts in a single day in a single discussion are far too much for other editors to read. We are just getting exhausted having to read so much each day.
You often say the same thing several times in different ways in the same post. If you can reduce the amount of repetition in your posts, it will make them much shorter and faster for us to read.
If you need to go into detail, collapse the details so they are easy to skip.
It can help to keep posts shorter if you answer only the main point or a couple of points at a time, even when responding to a post that challenges your viewpoint on the debate in many ways simultaneously. The other points are bound to come up again as the discussion continues and you can answer them then, later on.

(Those particular examples come from my own experience of things other editors could have said to me which would have helped at the time. Most of it is advice I got from friends when discussing it off wiki, or worked out for myself eventually.)

SuccintDude 12:33, 1st January 2016 (UTC)

If the problem editor doesn't solve the issue

Hopefully this gets solved during the one week warning period. But if not, then one week later, SuccintDude takes VerboseEditor to ANI. The ANI looks like this:

@VerboseEditor was given the standard warning on their talk page here over one week ago that: " Your posts are too long and they make the discussion hard for other editors to follow". They have not fixed this problem. I suggest that they are either

Topic banned
Restrictions made on the number of posts they can make per day
Restrictions on the number of words per day

... Other suggested sanctions.
SuccintDude 20:12, 9th January 2016 (UTC)

The discussion on ANI can only be about this issue of posts that are too long and about possible sanctions to fix it.

Discussions can be about multiple issues at once, but if so, they must all have been given as warnings to the editor at least a week before the ANI discussion begins. Similarly for AE.