Talk:Viewpoint censorship

This page is curious, it defends something by comparing it to something else which is even less socially accepted in order to avoid being told that it's saying it's really not bad. (And here I'm only trying to simulate the accumulation of negations on minimum wage.) Anyway, I only wanted to leave here a link to a page where I ended up by hopping here and there: MeatBall:MultipleViews. --Nemo 23:35, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

Hmm, yes, I guess the multiple negations can get kinda confusing sometimes. Leucosticte (talk) 02:52, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Inappropriateness and harmfulness

"anyone saying that some relationships are not harmful says so considering them not inappropriate" I'm not sure about that. Consider, for example, Monica Lewinsky's relationship with Bill Clinton. It wasn't directly harmful to the participants; it was merely "inappropriate", as Clinton admitted later. I think that "inappropriate" is sometimes used to describe behavior that stops short of being what people would consider abusive, but which they would still consider improper, as indicated by Dan Scott's comments here. Leucosticte (talk) 03:58, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Yes but they meant inappropriate as a general rule, and not harmful in the specific case. The sentence "anyone saying that some [kind of] relationships are not harmful [in general] says so considering them not inappropriate [in general]" intentionally avoided consequentiality because the problem of the formulation discussed in that section is exactly that it's a petitio principii.

If you accept that some specific characteristic always makes a thing harmful, then by consequence you consider that characteristic inappropriate; but if you deny that it's harmful, then you probably have no reason to consider it inappropriate.

In your example, on the other hand "inappropriate" seems to just border "I don't like it". --Nemo 18:12, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

It's been pointed out that there are some topics people just aren't willing to apply the usual principles of logic and evidence to. One may as well not even bother debating those subjects. Viewpoint discrimination probably still has some harmful effects, despite the futility of those viewpoints' being expressed, but it gets tiresome to try to fight against censorship and not make any headway. Leucosticte (talk) 17:06, 6 December 2013 (UTC)