Talk:International Museum Day 2021/Wikidata Competition

Museum object modelling

Hi! I like how the competition is divided according to data-type rather than country this year - that feels a lot more international :) I was wondering about the definition of objects in museums though.. I'm not sure location in museum (?object wdt:P276 ?museum. ?museum wdt:P31/wdt:P279* wd:Q33506.) is so consistently used to model museum objects. At least, Sum of all paintings focuses on modelling paintings as belonging to a collection (P195). From what I can tell, location statements can sometimes be a bit of a mixed bag - sometimes the museum, sometimes a specific wing of a specific gallery of a museum (modelled as part of (P361) the museum), sometimes the city where the collection is located. For example, if you look at objects in collections (P195) in museums in Germany you find quite a lot that aren't located (P276) in a museum in Germany (query: https://w.wiki/3Fkn). I suspect there are good reasons for either/both depending on the context. Just wondering if you might consider combining both approaches to count edits eligible for the competition? Thanks! --Lucy Patterson (WMDE) (talk) 11:35, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

Coordinates are not completely detailed. I think describing the different objects of a museum and the the positions of them in statements is interesting but I dont know if coordinates are the right way for doing that. The data about museums and objecs in museums could be for example used to create texts in Abstract Wikipedia and I think there a reader is mostly not interested in the coordinates of a object like a painting exhibited in a museum. As far as I know in the most bulidings the rooms have names, internal numbers and sometimes also commonly used names that deferr from the official name. Maybe it is possible to find the rooms, create items for the rooms and add them to the items about objects in museums. --Hogü-456 (talk) 19:50, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

@Lucy Patterson (WMDE):We chose the location P276 because it seemed to be the property that emcompasses the widest range of items assigned to museums, including objects (paintings, sculptures and everything else exhibited there), but also collections, exhibitions or other events etc. I was not aware that some objects (items) do not show P276 but rather P195. Interesting. I'll check if it does not violate the rules of the contest if I add a second query to include them after the contest started. Also it may be confusing, if some of the items have both poperties set. --Manfred Werner (WMAT) (talk) 05:32, 3 May 2021 (UTC)