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Ancient Egyptian WikipediaEdit

main page Requests for new languages (Wikipedia Old Egyptian)
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  This proposal has been closed as part of a reform of the request process.
This request has not necessarily been rejected, and new requests are welcome. This decision was taken by the language committee in accordance with the Language proposal policy.

The closing committee member provided the following comment:

This discussion was created before the implementation of the Language proposal policy, and it is incompatible with the policy. Please open a new proposal in the format this page has been converted to (see the instructions). Do not copy discussion wholesale, although you are free to link to it or summarise it (feel free to copy your own comments over). —{admin} Pathoschild 00:53, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
Proposal summary
  • Language details: Ancient Egyptian (egy ISO 639-3)
  • Editing community: 66.177.138.113 (P), [[User:Revoluci�n|Revoluci�n]], Caesarion (don't really know it yet, support is mainly moral), Sajasaze (I'll have to start learning ...), Agari, General Eisenhower
    List your user name if you're interested in editing the wiki. Add "N" next to your
    name if you are a native speaker of this language.
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Notes/Comments/QuestionsEdit

    • I don't know ancient egyptian, but we have Latin, so I don't see why we can't have this,and this would be a very cool wiki.
    • Writing about Nuclear energy in Egyptian hyroglyphs .... would it be possible? Waerth 09:01, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
      • Yes it will, albeit with some artifices. Take a look at the Old English Wikipedia and see how they solved a similar problem there: with a lot of neologisms. Be creative and it will be all right! Caesarion 10:17, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
      • But there is another problem: I found no evidence of Unicode supporting hieroglyphs and I can hardly imagine it does, since they are so often placed above and underneath one another. And before we think of an Old Egyptian Wikipedia in hieroglyphs, we'd better consider one in Ancient Greek or in Coptic... Caesarion 10:42, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
        • There's no need to rely on unicode, because we have WikiHiero for rendering such things - as demonstrated above! - IMSoP 01:03, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
          • Wow, that's really cool! Now let's try to find some supporters then! Caesarion 14:16, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
          • Umm, but then how do I find anything once I'm there? Let's say I want to see the article about "Ramses II." I may well know how to spell his name in hieroglyphs, but how do I enter that in the address bar? Or add it to interwiki? This is a very serious consideration. I would have to
    • Just a technical remark to the anonymus proposer: I think you should change the request to "Ancient Egyptian" or "Egyptian" (written in hieroglyphs, of course), for you don't request scripts here but languages. Since you don't know the language yourself, you should try to find some people willing and able to contribute. Arbeo 13:29, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
      • Why not have it in Latin to begin with, and if all goes well, we can experiment with hieroglyphs, which might not be supported by the computer and will usually appear as bricks on the screen. (Rumour has it a few Wikipedia vandals are using a nonprinting character at the start of their user name, which appears in HTML markup as %8F and appears in the article titles as a brick.) Scott Gall 08:16, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
          • Why Latin? The key to deciphering the hieroglyphs was Demotic and Greek. Jim62sch 22:39, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
        • Well, just because the transcription conventions differ per country and per tradition, sometimes beyond mutual intteligibility. Caesarion 11:56, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
  • Hey, the anonymous poster was me. Please add your name under "supporters". Revolución 03:40, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)
  • I know this might not be the right place to ask this, but does anyone know of any websites to learn Ancient Egyptian? Because I would definitely want to get involved with this project but I don't know a word of Ancient Egyptian. Thanks in advance. Revolución 03:46, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)
    • Just a little thing, it is not necessarily impossible to write modern encyclopaedias in ancient languages, but this is an extreme case. I think that with this language it is more than anywhere else desirable that you create a Test Wikipedia asap, just to prove you can do it. Caesarion 17:18, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
  • Comment: A wiki in hieroglyphics is too much. However, I'd support wikisource and wikiquote in a recognised and useful transliteration or transcription scheme. --Nema Fakei 16:16, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Would this be en:Archaic Egyptian, en:Old Egyptian, en:Middle Egyptian or en:Late Egyptian? --Kajk 14:19, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

SupportEdit

  • Support nl:Gebruiker:Boudewijn Idema, 13:07, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Support. It would be really intresting experiment. Just imagine article about space science written in Ancient Egyptian! However I suppose its content will be mostly about ancient Egypt, since there are mostly aincient Egypt scolars who know this language. I think this wikipedia will be usefull for aincient history students - they'll be able to learn more about aincient Egypt using its language! Kneiphof 16:30, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Support Very interesting. Haitike 23:58, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Support I think this would be good combined with Wikisource to post some of the original works from the tombs and temples. Chadlupkes 00:02, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Support Sajasaze 18:39, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Support If alphabetised. Keeno 13:36, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Support --Taichi - (??) 09:52, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Support.--Sir Real Hamster 01:53, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Support.--Absar 10:38, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Support, I would have requested it myself if it hadn't been here already. Perhaps if it's created, I'll learn the language and join. --Gray Porpoise 22:47, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Support,--Mustafa Akalp 10:19, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Conditional SupportEdit

  • Conditional Support: I would welcome this as a wikipedia. However, I don't know if there are really enough to carry this forwards. If you can get 12 people here who would genuinely help, change my vote to support. -en:User:Dbmag9/la:Usor:Dbmag9
  • Conditional Support: I would support this if it is in either hieroglyphs (I can see people are argueing about that above), Greek Alphabet (Ancient Egyptian was diciphered by using Greek, iirc) or Arabic Alphabet because the people of modern Egypt are Arabs, but if it is in Latin Alphabet I will vehemetly oppose. (Needs to log in to vote.--Californiacondor 00:20, 16 November 2006 (UTC))
  • conditional support' Only if this is in Coptic Alphabet. Hieroglyphs aren't availabel, unfortunatley..--Fox Mccloud 16:50, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
  • conditional support See Steinbach's comments above. If a test wiki can be created to prove that it can be done, and people can agree on orthography etc., support. LeighvsOptimvsMaximvs

OpposeEdit

  • Oppose until that technical problem is worked out. Sinister Petrus 21:04, 6 April 2006 (UTC) (Double votes--Californiacondor 00:20, 16 November 2006 (UTC))
  • Oppose. From the images used in the proposal, I take it this new Wikipedia is to be written in hieroglyphics. However, this is currently impossible to do portably. I'm aware of no complete and widely adopted character encoding for Egyptian hieroglyphics. There is currently a proposal to add hieroglyphics to Unicode, but that request is still pending. I therefore oppose this request, at least until Unicode/ISO or another standards body approves an encoding we can use. �Psychonaut 00:47, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Oppose See my reasons above below. Quite similar to Psychonaut's reasons really. Sinister Petrus 15:38, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Oppose--Nxx 10:32, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Oppose. Wiki's in extinct languages born dead -- Raghav 14:12, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

NeutralEdit