Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Egyptian

Egyptian WikipediaEdit

main page Request for a new language edition: Wikipedia Egyptian
submitted verification final decision
  This proposal has been rejected.
This decision was taken by the language committee in accordance with the Language proposal policy based on the discussion on this page.

A committee member provided the following comment:

Rejected. There is a higher bar against accepting ancient languages, and no activity since the time of this proposal has provided any reason to indicate that this project/language meets that bar. For LangCom: StevenJ81 (talk) 14:39, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
  • The community needs to develop an active test project; it must remain active until approval (automated statistics, recent changes). It is generally considered active if the analysis lists at least three active, not-grayed-out editors listed in the sections for the previous few months.
  • The community needs to complete required MediaWiki interface translations in that language (about localization, translatewiki, check completion).
  • The community needs to discuss and complete the settings table below:
What Value Example / Explanation
Proposal
Language code egy (SILEthnologue) A valid ISO 639-1 or 639-3 language code, like "fr", "de", "nso", ...
Language name Egyptian Language name in English
Language name ' Language name in your language. This will appear in the language list on Special:Preferences, in the interwiki sidebar on other wikis, ...
Language Wikidata item Q50868 - item has currently the following values:
  • en label = Egyptian
  • native label (P1705) = r n km.t
  • instance/subclass (P31/P279) = Semitic languages, dead language, ancient language / Afro-Asiatic languages
  • Wikimedia language code (P424) =
  • writing system (P282) = Egyptian hieroglyphs, Writing in Ancient Egypt, Egyptian hieratic, Egyptian demotic, Greek, Coptic
  • number of speakers (P1098) =


Item about the language at Wikidata. It would normally include the Wikimedia language code, name of the language, etc. Please complete at Wikidata if needed.
Directionality no indication Is the language written from left to right (LTR) or from right to left (RTL)?
Links Links to previous requests, or references to external websites or documents.
Settings
Project name "Wikipedia" in your language
Project namespace usually the same as the project name
Project talk namespace "Wikipedia talk" (the discussion namespace of the project namespace)
Enable uploads no Default is "no". Preferably, files should be uploaded to Commons.
If you want, you can enable local file uploading, either by any user ("yes") or by administrators only ("admin").
Notes: (1) This setting can be changed afterwards. The setting can only be "yes" or "admin" at approval if the test creates an Exemption Doctrine Policy (EDP) first. (2) Files on Commons can be used on all Wikis. (3) Uploading fair-use images is not allowed on Commons (more info). (4) Localisation to your language may be insufficient on Commons.
Optional settings
Project logo File:... This needs to be an SVG image (instructions for logo creation).
Default project timezone Continent/City "Continent/City", e.g. "Europe/Brussels" or "America/Mexico City" (see list of valid timezones)
Additional namespaces For example, a Wikisource would need "Page", "Page talk", "Index", "Index talk", "Author", "Author talk".
Additional settings Anything else that should be set
submit phabricator task (includes everything automatically, except additional namespaces/settings)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

ProposalEdit

Egyptian is the indigenous language of Egypt and a branch of the Afroasiatic language family. Written records of the Egyptian language have been dated from about 3400 BC,[1] making it one of the oldest recorded languages known. Egyptian was spoken until the late 7th century AD in the form of Coptic. The national language of modern-day Egypt is Egyptian Arabic, which gradually replaced Coptic as the language of daily life in the centuries after the Muslim conquest of Egypt. Coptic is still used as the liturgical language of the Coptic Church. It has a handful of fluent speakers today.

DiscussionEdit

Arguments in favourEdit

  • Support 'Support' It does not matter if it's a so called "dead/extinct" language. The rules should be changed that a dead language wiki can be created as long as there are speakers than can speak it fluently as a second language. Kanzler31 02:56, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
    • So we should create Wikipedias that have absolutely zero chance anyone will actually use them as a source of information? Why?--Prosfilaes 22:42, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
    • On Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Nheengatu, you spoke against the Wikipedia because there were too few speakers, a number en.WP gives as 8,000. Do you think there's 8,000 people in the world who are reasonably fluent in Ancient Egyptian?--Prosfilaes 03:34, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
    • It shouldn't matter if it's a dead language or not. Old English and Latin are both Dead languages, each with their own wikipedia. As long as their exists a desire to create it, I don't see why there shouldn't be one. --Eblashko 06:04, 06 April 2011 (GMT + 2)

Arguments againstEdit

  • It's a dead language. --Prosfilaes 00:29, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
  • How the UNICODE computer workers are going to find, recreate and understand the letters? They're saying: These are drawings, not letters-190.234.1.221IP 04:51, 22 January 2011 (UTC). ouh, i forgoted, the language is SO DIFFICULT TO LEARN!!!
See http://www.egpz.com/resources/unicode.htm --Eugrus 21:46, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

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