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Brněnský hantec WikipediaEdit

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It is a specific version of the Czech language or a very special dialect of it which is spoken mainly in the city of Brno (the biggest Moravian city) and generally not comprehensible to people not born in Brno. It has very interesting history and is based on German. I think that the Wikipedia in Brněnský hantec would be a graeat idea. Many citizens of Brno would be happy to have it. (And, as there is already Wikipedia project in Allemanic, I see no reason why not to allow this.--Tintin 18:22, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Support - I support the idea as well and I would definitely contribute to it. FerdinandH 19:09, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
Tintin - are you a Moravian? Can you tell me if you have heard about Hanacky janzyk? And about Brnensky hantec -> how many native speakers? Czech dialects are interesting, I have already heard lacky from neighbourhood of Moravia-Silesia - so from my neighbourhood, Cieszyn Silesian (a Pole, but feeling a child of culture of three nations including Czech :), D T G 22:17, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
Of course I have heard about it. Hanácký jazyk (or hanáčtina) is spoken mainly in the neighbourhood of Olomouc and Prostějov (Central Moravia, we may say). Yes, I am native Moravian but currently I live in Straßburg. How many native speakers of Brněnský hantec? All habitants of Brno to some degree (approximately 500,000). Needless to say, that elder people command this language much better than the youth. (Another reason why to start Wikipedia in Brněnský hantec!) --Tintin 05:50, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
Thanks Tintin, can you give me some links to get know better Hanacky and Brnensky? I'll try to inform one Moravian I know from cs-wiki about this (yet) uninformal proposal :) Zdravim, D T G 09:49, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
Try to browse this on-line dictionary. No explanation, but gives a clue how much the languages differ. --slady 11:07, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Hi, I am a Prague citizen not Brno and I know only a few words in hantec. Though, I'd like to point out some facts. The language has no code defined in ISO 639-1. The language has no oficial standard and I'm not sure whether there is some unofficial. I think there would be disputes among Brno citizens about what is the correct form. Moreover, the city has only about 370 thousand citizens, not all of them having Internet access and by far not all of them speaking hantec. Is it enough to build a quality Wikipedia? Establishing a new Wikipedia for hantec would only drain potential editors from Czech Wikipedia. That's not good. On the other hand, hantec Wictionary would be lovely! --Egg 12:51, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
Norman may have as few as 25,000 speakers, and yet our wikipedia is doing very well because we're dedicated to it (already over 200 articles). However, we should make sure that people would be devoted to this project before assigning it a Wikipedia. The Jade Knight 09:22, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
Hantec is, very roughly, Czech equivalent to en:Cockney and even more pointless to found its own Wikipedia than thet would be. --Maly ctenar 15:24, 9 March 2006 (UTC) [I think this comment is supposed to be counted as oppose - Arbeo 18:23, 30 March 2006 (UTC)]
  • Comment: seeing quite slow progress of Czech Wiki and their lack of people I do not give hantec Wiki slightest chance to get over initial 20 pages. Pavel Vozenilek 20:26, 9 March 2006 (UTC) [I think this comment is supposed to be counted as oppose - Arbeo 18:23, 30 March 2006 (UTC)]

It is an excellent idea. I SUPPORT THIS.-- 19:46, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi, I am from Brno and I do support Wikipedia in Hantec. It is a nice idea and a good way of spreading our language.

  • Oppose Wikipedia in dialects is stupid (sorry). Nobody need them. It would be better, the Supporters would be do more at the Czech Wikipedia. Kenwilliams 19:38, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
    • Not knowing the true nature of the terms 'dialect' and 'language' is very, very stupid (sorry). How dare you mingle what Wikipedia someone should contribute to??! I don't say this request is a good idea, but you really should study the subject better before jumping into cries like these. Caesarion 14:53, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Oppose Is a dialect. No need for more dialects--Taichi - (あ!) 04:44, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Support nl:Boudewijn Idema, 20:46 , 17 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Neutral Caesarion 14:53, 18 March 2006 (UTC) 'Hantec' is, of course, a clearly defined concept: the vernecular language (mind: language refers here to any linguistic system, whether it is considered a separate language or not) of one city. However, I don't think a Wikipedia in it would be a good idea. It is relatively close to standard Czech, its scope is confined to one city (which wouldn't be so bad if Hantec was a totally different language, but it ain't), it has no ISO code, no recognition - just a combination of these matters make a Wikipedia in it little feasable. Please consider broadening your scope to the Moravian dialects together, which would probably be more successful (I can't promise, however, that I will support in Wikipedia in Moravian). Caesarion 14:53, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Oppose Hantec is exactly indefinable dialect, that has no complete word-stock, that has maximum only several hudreds native speaker. And I am afraid, proposer and all here voting adherents don't speak hantec. Cinik 09:56, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Support --Til Eulenspiegel 22:00, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Oppose - An encyclopedia written in a city dialect (no matter how special and noteworthy it might be) is hardly in line with Wikipedia's goals. Arbeo 18:23, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Support, I'm familiar with Moravian language(s). --Ђорђе Д. Божовић 10:22, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Oppose - As a joke - fine. As a wiki - stupid. 22:26, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Neutral. I am of Caesarian's opinion. However, my vote is Oppose until a Test Wiki with at least 50 articles has been created, and a Weak Support once the Test Wiki reaches 150. The Jade Knight 09:26, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Oppose - There are more than 10 main dialects based on Czech language. I am living in Brno, but I does not meet any person, that can fully speak in Brněnský hantec. Hantec became very popular thanks to TV spots, that advertising a local brewery. The spots contain many neologisms, because word stock is very poor. Hantec is not well defined, its usage requires own research and therefore it is not good tool to create an encyclopedia. --RuM 10:45, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Oppose - Agree with RuM. --Dezidor 13:12, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Strong oppose, waste of space. Contribute here. Or open a Wikicity, like Caesarion suggested, and give it a shot there. If it's successful, we may migrate it over, but I doubt it will ever get more then a handful of pages. +Hexagon1 (talk) 09:32, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

en favor Qrc2006 01:48, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

But why not open a Wikicity in it? I don't think Hantec is suitable for a Wikipedia, but it is perfectly suited for Wikicities. It is after all the dialect of one city. Caesarion 15:53, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Seconded. The Jade Knight 09:26, 5 April 2006 (UTC)