Requests for new languages/Wikibooks Rajasthani

Rajasthani Wikibooks

main page Requests for new languages (Wikibooks Rajasthani)
submitted verification final decision
  This proposal has been rejected.
This decision was taken by the language committee in accordance with the Language proposal policy based on the discussion on this page.

The closing committee member provided the following comment:

Mostly, the request is stale. Additionally, though, the request cites two different ISO 639 codes, both of which are codes for macrolanguages. And neither incubator:Wb/mwr nor incubator:Wb/raj contains any content at all. So this request will be closed, with an invitation to interested parties to put in new, more appropriately focused requests. StevenJ81 (talk) 18:37, 5 December 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Proposal summary
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Arguments in favour

  • Support Support Rajasthani (Devanagari: राजस्थानी, Perso-Arabic: راجستھانی) is a language of the Indo-Aryan languages family.[1] It is spoken by 50 million people in Rajasthan and other states of India[2] and in some areas of Pakistan. The number of speakers may be up to 80 million worldwide.[3] It is one of the languages developed from an ancestor language called Old Gujarati or Maru-Gujar or Maruwani, the other language being modern Gujarati..

    Old Gujarati or Maru-Gurjar or Maruwani or Gujjar Bhakha (1100 AD — 1500 AD), ancestor of Gujarati and Rajasthani, was spoken by the Gurjars in Gujarat and Rajasthan.[4] Texts of this era display characteristic Gujarati features such as direct/oblique noun forms, postpositions, and auxiliary verbs. It had 3 genders as Gujarati does today, and by around the time of 1300 CE a fairly standardized form of this language emerged. While generally known as Old Gujarati, some scholars prefer the name of Old Western Rajasthani, based on the argument that Gujarati and Rajasthani were not yet distinct at the time. Also factoring into this preference was the belief that modern Rajasthani sporadically expressed a neuter gender, based on the incorrect conclusion that the [ũ] that came to be pronounced in some areas for masculine [o] after a nasal consonant was analogous to Gujarati's neuter [ũ]. A formal grammar of the precursor to this language was written by Jain monk and eminent scholar Hemachandra Suri in the reign of Solanki king Siddharaj Jayasinh of Anhilwara (Patan)

    Most of the Rajasthani dialects are chiefly spoken in the state of Rajasthan but are also spoken in Gujarat, Haryana and Punjab.

Some major dialects or languages (when you label Rajasthani as a cluster) are:[3] Bagri: About five(5) million speakers in Hanumangarh and Sriganganagar districts of Rajasthan, Sirsa and Hissar districts of Haryana, Firozepur and Muktsar districts of Punjab of India and Bahawalpur and Bahawalnagar areas of Punjab of Pakistan. Shekhawati: About three(3) million speakers in Churu, Jhunjhunu and Sikar districts of Rajasthan. Ahirwati: spoken in Mahendragarh and Rewari districts of Haryana.[5] Marwari: About thirteen(13) million speakers in western Rajasthan comprising Jodhpur, Pali, Sirohi, Jalore, Jaisalmer, Churu, Bikaner, Nagaur, Ajmer, and Barmer districts of Rajasthan. It is also spoken in eastern parts of upper Sindh province of Pakistan. Dhundhari: About nine(9) million persons in Jaipur, Dausa, Tonk, Ajmer, Karauli and Sawai Madhopur districts of Rajasthan. It was first surveyed upon by G. Macliester who published specimens of fifteen varieties of Dhundhari spoken in the territory of the former state of Jaipur in 1898. Harauti: About four(4) million speakers in Kota, Bundi, Baran, and Jhalawar districts of Rajasthan state of India. Interestingly, it has a nominative marker /nE/ which is absent in other dialects of Rajasthani. Mewari: About five(5) million speakers in Rajsamand, Bhilwara, Udaipur, and Chittorgarh districts of Rajasthan state of India. Mewati: About five(5) million speakers in Mewat region of Haryana(Gurgaon and Mewat districts) and adjoining Alwar district of Rajasthan.

Other major dialects/languages are: Dhatki, Goaria, Godwari, Loarki, Merwari, Gade Lohar, Gujari, Gurgula, Lambadi, Malvi, Nimadi

Spoken in: India, Pakistan, Nepal
Region: Rajasthan, Gujarat, Sindh

  • Support Support I am from Rajasthan who is the biggest state in India (Land wise) and its capital city Jaipur has become a huge Metropolitan city because of its growing population and nearby location from country capital Delhi. May be the state and its people have undergone a huge development, both socially and language wise but the Rajasthani or say Marwari is still thought to be sweet or I say language of tradition. It is the native tongue for Rajasthanis and especially for its rural areas.

Rajasthan have a approx population of 50 million and of them one million people can use internet anytime for getting information or vice versa. It would be good idea to start a Marwari / Rajasthani language Wikipedia for them with the parent project Hindi Wikipedia. If it is need, I am desperate to help the new project in both ways, from that or this side of table. I will be glad to contribute to it as I am doing actively on Hindi Wikipedia. --Wikisidd 20:18, 9 November 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Marvari is a great language. Marvari people are famous all over the World. One of them is Lakshmi Mittal. I think We should try our best to develop this language. Vibhijain 11:30, 14 March 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Arguments against

  • Oppose Oppose Marwari is considered to be a great many languages. the codes that are given are being replaced by the ones in the ISO 639-3. For instance ethnologue in version 14 raj is split in eight and Marwari has an Indian and a Pakistani code. It is therefore not clear what the request is for. The ISO 639 has for Marwari different information which raises the same issues but differently. GerardM 16:46, 20 October 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose Oppose There appears to be both a Marwari subgroup and a single language called Marwari, so this is probably just an issue of misunderstanding. --Johannes Rohr 13:17, 22 October 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose Oppose Yes true, Marwari has two ISO codes. but the both the marwari in pakistan as well as in india are same unsigned by 13:10, 30 October 2007.
  • Oppose. The is a macrolanguage with 9 different ISO codes under it. We can not have more than one language in a single Wiki project. I would support projects in a single language like Shekhawati. Professorjohnas (talk) 07:23, 26 May 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

General discussion

  • The request is unclear about the scope of the wiki; ISO 639-3 classifies Rajasthani as a macrolanguage (meaning that it is composed of many languages), but the proposer discusses about the Marwari macrolanguage. Will the wiki allow all Rajasthani languages equally? If so, how will it be organized? Are Rajasthani languages mutually intelligible? —{admin} Pathoschild 03:03:02, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
  • I support this project. However, would it not be prudent to have a wikipedia before wikibooks?--Eukesh 17:45, 9 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]