Requests for comment/Entire nation portrayed as fascist on Greek Wikipedia - objections are not welcomed

The following request for comments is closed. Initiator doesn’t meet the requirements of Requests for comment/Policy. There has been Universal Code of Conduct/Coordinating Committee/Cases/Administrator rights abuse on Greek Wikipedia on the same issue by the way. --Johannnes89 (talk) 06:48, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The issue is very straight forward, so non-greek speakers can easily participate.

What happened:
I just made a single line objection on the talk page of this article. And two users reverted it multiple times (1 2 3 4 and 5 6 7 8 ) even breaking the 3RR. Guess who's blocked!

About the article:
The article is about the "Liberation of Athens (1944)" as the title says. In Greece it is a fact that we don't celebrate the end of WW2 because while the war ended the civil war started, resulting in more casualties than the world war itself. So we celebrate the 28 of October 1940, Ohi Day, focusing on the ultimatum rejection and the defeat of fascist Mussolini by the Greeks. It is also a well known fact that this end-of-ww2 liberation celebration is promoted by a minor political party (7% in last elections, historically stable at around 5%) accompanied by the accusation that the greek community (the rest 95%) clearly celebrates the Outbreak! of WW2, as Ioannis Metaxas, the man who rejected Mussolini on Ohi Day and defeated him right afterwards, was also a dictator and a "fascist". Ba dum tss! Brilliant right? It is a subtle but clear way of calling the entire nation fascists. I quote from the article (same phrase as party line):

"στην Ελλάδα δεν εορτάζεται η απελευθέρωση, αλλά η έναρξη του πολέμου"

"in Greece liberation is not celebrated, but the outset of the war is"

Any objection to this offensive, to the globally recognized contributions of Greece, statement is immediatetly removed by some editors. No edit summary, no talk page discussions, and full blocks.

My comment:

The following explains the content of my tiny comment at the article's talk page. It's not an apology, as my comment does not contain offensive language, which would justify a removal. It is just for the record as an optional read.

Civil war has this paradox in Greece. Although the communist party could easily take over Athens using the great forces of it's partisan group ΕΛΑΣ, made by true patriot Athanasios Klaras, they really did something amazing. They literally destroyed this partisan group and it's leader both in fame and existence. One year after that they made a regular army force called ΔΣΕ, and it's purpose was not the full occupation of Greece but the Liberation of Macedonia from Greeks, according to Σχέδιο Λίμνες (Lakes Plan), and it's integration with today's North Macedonia inhabited by Bulgarian-Macedonians. ΔΣΕ army leading group was created in 28 October 1946 in an attempt to replace the Ohi Day after a desired outcome of the civil war. So my comment is a comprehensive objection to the supporters of the offensive statement that I quoted above. And it's just this phrase:

"Why don't you write another article for the liberation of Thessaloniki from the Bulgarians? Is it because after the liberation, the communist party made a civil war to give it back to them?"

For clarification, Greece had triple occupation during WW2 by Germany, Italy and Bulgaria. Bulgaria held the Macedonia territory. So what really happened is this: one year after the liberation of Macedonia from Bulgaria, the communist party made war to liberate it from the Greeks and integrate it with bulgrarian-speaking territory 1 2. So that's what my comment is about. If they try to promote a "Liberation of Thessaloniki (1944)" day, that would lead to really "funny" things. They would never do that, which also proves my point.

I understand how this feels absurd to the average person. Propaganda is so well established here that unicorns feel like they're home. But this is only the truth, and it is indisputable. It's been hidden from leftists themselves so that the system can use them whenever a good protest is required. To replace a bad bad dictator for example with a good cooperative one. The people who drive this movement are not communists. Everyone must know this.

Why the reverts?
Some fellow added a new parameter to this dispute. He actually said that whoever blocks my edits could be "communist sympathisers". Well he claims I said it, but I never did (there's no record of this), so it's him who actually said it. And I have to be clear on this that I don't support his suggestion. I personally don't know why they revert because they never explained it. One of the reverters only claimed that "talk page is not for opinions" and that "comments with political content are forbidden on articles with political content" ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.

In my opinion, people are just confused by the extremely contradicting nature of the political party's own history. The spontaneous patriotism of simple people created the partisan group, but the political leadership being totally dependent on Communist International led by bulgarian Georgi Dimitrov, had different plans. It is as simple as that. But censoring will keep the truth hidden and the show will keep going, feeding the "revolutionaries" with the will to destroy this "fascist" society. And they are really doing their best on this. Truth is the only way to real freedom.

Note: This is not some rally against the reverters, it's just a RfC. Please be specific. Thank you.
Either way, I suppose that not much can be done about this shifty insult, so... Cheers! and see you around :)
Nervren (talk) 14:47, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is a concern for UCoC and NPOV. If they try to repeatedly object the claim, are they going to be blocked outright? Greek Wikipedia should clean up or else people will browse ENWP instead. Ahri Boy (talk) 08:04, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]