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Requests for comment/Adding abuse filter rights to global rollbackers

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ProposalEdit

I'm proposing that abusefilter-log-private be added to the Global Rollback toolset to allow them to view the details of triggers of abuse filters that have been marked as private, which is the majority of vandalism-related filters. This would give Global Rollbackers the ability to more efficiently respond to and identify vandalism via filter triggers, while still maintaining the privacy of the text of the filters, as the abusefilter-view-private (which allows people to view the filters themselves) right would not be given. Vermont (talk) 20:31, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

  • Can you give an indication of how prominent these private filters are, specifically on small wikis where you might need to use them? You could also advertize this discussion on other forums, like the Wikimedia Forum. – Ajraddatz (talk) 07:24, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
To see how prominent private filters are, I picked a random wiki in the SWMT IRC channel, et-wikipedia. Of the 50 most recent filter triggers, 19 are public. In th-wikipedia, 20 of the 50 most recent filter triggers are public. In hr-wikipedia, 20 of the 50 most recent triggers are public. In lt-wikipedia, 21 of the 50 most recent filter triggers are public. Most of these public filters are not related to vandalism, or are pointed at very obvious vandalism (i.e. this public filter, which is blanking). Vermont (talk) 10:52, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
Also, being able to view private filters would allow easier tracking of x-wiki LTAs, so   Support. SITH (talk) 16:43, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
  • The only thing Global rollbackers can really do is to revert revisions. I wonder whether the Global Sysop toolkit is better for such users? Not sure why users mainly reverting vandalism need to do with abuse filters. Leaderboard (talk) 11:58, 27 January 2019 (UTC)
Abuse Filters have everything to do with preventing and reverting vandalism. I frequently use them as an assistance to identify potentially harmful edits and actions, and it would be useful for global rollbackers to be able to see abuse filters themselves, to identify why the edit was flagged, rather than just seeing it was. Vermont (talk) 15:38, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
I don't disagree, but wouldn't it still make more sense in global sysop rather than rollback? At the very least it erodes the meaning of "private." ~ Amory (utc) 15:26, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
Global sysops already have that permission on Global Sysop wikis. With the issue of privacy, private filters are used so that vandals, spambots, and LTA's wont know how to get around them. Global Rollbackers are essentially confirmed not to be in their community discussion. Vermont (talk) 18:04, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
  •   Support I did not know anything about this, but seeing this evidence so I support Owen912 (talk) 13:17, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
  •   Support per this zh:Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他#提議Πrate破壞的應對措施 and zh.wp Rollbacker can do abusefilter-view-private, see AbuseFilter.--AldnonymousBicara? 16:21, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
  •   Support. This is a fairly rational proposal - with this we can give more tools to those that need them. Hiàn (talk)/editing on mobile account 18:16, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
  •   Support. I think it will be helpful against LTAs.--BRP ever 09:22, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
  •   Support. This proposal makes sense. Vulphere 21:49, 12 May 2019 (UTC)