Meta:Requests for CheckUser information/Archives/2020

Checks for suspicious accounts

All SPA, might be related to User:علاء/case1. All only have the same intention to vote at Stewards/Confirm/2020/Mardetanha. Ping علاء as well as Ahmad252 for ideas on whether they can / cannot be related. --Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 12:41, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
Their main language doesn't seem to be the same; Sofia3878 is mainly active at the Spanish Wikipedia, میرعلی_797 at the Persian Wikipedia and لاله171 at the Arabic Wikipedia.This is the editing interaction report on Wikidata. That being said, all the three accounts mentioned on their user page on their homewiki that they speak Azerbaijani, and their edits on Wikidata confirm this. In general, I'm not sure, especially about میرعلی_797. The interaction timeline is really varying; from 4 minutes, to more than one or even two years. Ahmadtalk 14:42, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
Thanks Ahmad252 for your views. Alaa also said is not related. I think this can be   Request withdrawn Let's monitor their edits further before CU then. --Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 14:47, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
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Slowking4 sock edited here

Slowking4 was community banned in enwiki and has engaged in sockpuppetry since then. They have also been blocked on Commons and Wikidata for sockpuppetry. Just recently, several Slowking socks were CU-blocked by Berean Hunter and one of them, Galtzerdiak, edited Meta during a time when Slowking4 edited there. Due to precedent, a request for CU to see if the result on enwiki is sufficient to warrant a CU block should be made.

Note that while the Galtzerdiak account was blocked on enwiki per behaviour evidence, it still registered initially as "[p]ossible as they are technical matches but [b]ehavioural evidence needs evaluation". That said, it's possible other Slowking socks blocked on enwiki (though not the others blocked recently alongside Galtzerdiak) edited here. ミラP 18:32, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

Delayed note: since Slowking4 was blocked on Wikidata for failing to disclose sock accounts, it is possible a similar situation would apply on Meta if sockpuppets were confirmed to Slowking4 on Meta. ミラP 18:37, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

I did a brief behavioral evaluation, the only page both accounts edited is Talk:Community Engagement/Leadership Development Dialogue. Both seems to have an interest in GLAM. The 2nd account seems to know templates and tables in less than 10 edits, but I will not discount they are due to the engagement in other projects as this is metawiki. I will note the enwp CU block is marked as checkuserblocks but it's based on a mixture of CU evidence and meta edits. However, I will take it as it is a CU block as the template state so.
I will say behaviourally there seems to be a match and per the other projects blocks, I will say it is reasonable to call them socks. Wikidata have a policy in which undisclosing different accounts will equate to a block. I am of the point there isn't abusive usage of the 2nd account but the non-disclosure of alternates isn't ideal. I will endorse a CU to check for any sleepers and if proven they sock extensively here, a sock/CU block will be in place.--Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 18:50, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
  Comment there is no ban on using multiple accounts here, are they voting or otherwise double-dipping on opinions, etc. and being problematic with the editing? Please don't just bring other wikis issues here.  — billinghurst sDrewth 00:40, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
  •   Declined - it is well known that Slowking4 (ab)uses socks on other wikis. A fair bit of his Meta contributions are aimed at trash-talking users/situations on other wikis as well. But the conversation of "should he be allowed to edit on Meta" is different from "should a Meta CheckUser invade his privacy to see if he is doing the thing we all know he is". I don't see sufficient evidence of abusively using multiple accounts on Meta to warrant a check here. – Ajraddatz (talk) 01:02, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
  • @Miraclepine: Do you have other accounts Slowking used here abusively (i.e. vote stacking, opinions racking) as meta we don't ban multiple accounts unless they are editing abusively per the comments above and I am of the view the 2nd account didn't undertake the activities billinghurst mentioned (per my comment above). There is no way to block them locally and not globally (that requires a global community ban not global lock as you had submitted yesterday). Thanks much.--Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 07:14, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
    @Camouflaged Mirage: That sounds like you are encouraging speculation or fishing. Check user is used to identify where accounts are clearly problematic, shared, and to identify that is the case. If we have problematic accounts, the user is warned, or blocked.  — billinghurst sDrewth 07:25, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
    @Billinghurst: To be clear, I am asking them to check the enwp confirmed accounts, commons confirmed accounts, as well as wikidata confirmed accounts and report here if any of the confirmed socks (by other projects) have abusively edited meta. If not case closed. This is in referenced to their request here. I will not allow checking of any accounts based on mere spectulation. Thanks for allowing me to clarify.--Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 08:40, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
    Umm, no, why are you sending out a hunting party? That is not the purpose of checkuser.  — billinghurst sDrewth 09:01, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
    Upon deeper inspection of the requester edits, they seems to made several bad SRG requests. My fault for not going deeper here. @Billinghurst: you are right, they seems to be a hunting parties for multiple users. I apologize for not looking in depth before suggesting the above few steps. The CU isn't valid in the first place in this sense.--Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 09:38, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Somewhat relevant to some discussion above (but not to the result of the CU request itself): Meta:Requests_for_help_from_a_sysop_or_bureaucrat/Archives/2019-09#Slowking4_sockpuppets. --Yair rand (talk) 06:24, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
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Ednei Campos De Jesus De Brito

Abuse of multiple accounts for trolling on my PDU. Apparently a vandal from ptwiki who was blocked in other projects. --EVinente (talk) 16:56, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

  Confirmed and blocked. – Ajraddatz (talk) 16:59, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
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Status:    Not done
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Status:    Done

Looks like all 3 users did many reverts each other, that already beyond 3RR many times, on both Meta-Wiki and Wikidata. I doubt if they are 3 people rather than one person controls 3 accounts. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 09:24, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

  It looks like a duck to me re Achomia and Tashbad based on purely editorial behaviour. They're editting the same pages and identical editting style. See diff & diff. Iranshahr1 has not editted on Meta so I'm not sure why do you list it here. No checkuser run at this point. Behavioural evidence looks enough here. —MarcoAurelio (talk) 09:44, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
Tashbad blocked indef. Achomia blocked for a week. No action on Iranshahr1. —MarcoAurelio (talk) 10:01, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
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Status:    Done

Both users have new editor-like edits in RfC.--GZWDer (talk) 18:32, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

  •   Done, users are technically unrelated, though the edits of the first (in particular) are disruptive. – Ajraddatz (talk) 18:40, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
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‎Pratap Pandit

Pratap Pandit was active on Meta.Wikimedia until 21 June,[1] and he was blocked as a sockpuppet of BabbarJatt on Wikipedia as seen here. This new account Guy Foxx was registered on 7 August and makes same edits as the concerning blocked socks:[2][3]  Aman.kumar.goel (talk) 17:06, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

@Ajraddatz: Are you available? Aman.kumar.goel (talk) 15:20, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
  Done, technical results are   Inconclusive. Please note that there is limited CU evidence available for the second account, which could result in a false negative here. Please evaluate based on behavioural evidence. – Ajraddatz (talk) 15:27, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
Behavioural analysis is quite clear they are the same person. The oldest account isn't Pratap Pandit but BabbarJatt (via enwp CU). Given both BabbarJatt and Pratap Pandit had edited here in project pages and they didn't disclose their relationship, I will block the later account with the provision that I will be willing to unblock if they stick to one account. As of the rest of the accounts, none edited meta, hence, I will not be blocking. Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 17:53, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
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The 2nd and 3rd account (created today) appeared totally unsuspiciously on Talk:Proposals for closing projects/Closure of Northern Luri Wikipedia to defend the project, whose main contributor is Mogoeilor, editing the main page of the proposal. --MF-W 22:44, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

  Done - @MF-Warburg: accounts are technically   Unrelated, though from the behaviour likely meatpuppets. – Ajraddatz (talk) 23:27, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

New cases

New users keep creating accounts Amir (talk) 19:29, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

@Ladsgroup: What is the abuse here? Suggesting that there is more support than in reality is? Trijnsteltalk 09:45, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
@Trijnstel: Yes. Amir (talk) 09:47, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
It's   Possible, but I really can't make a clear connection between these three. Trijnsteltalk 10:06, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
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James Salsman

See Editor Interaction Analyser. Both Salsman and Ellen have an interest in AI, Foundation governance, and moderate center-left causes. In 2016, EllenCT supported a grant request by James Salsman four minutes before he added himself as a participant. There are additional... offwiki considerations I have brought to light privately to Ajraddatz. –MJLTalk 16:20, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

Middle accounts are stale. James Salsman and EllenCT are   Confirmed, though based on behavioural evidence I expect they are meatpuppets or two people editing from the same computer rather than one person. – Ajraddatz (talk) 16:31, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
Additional comment, since EllenCT has now been blocked both here and on enwiki: Based on behavioural evidence that is new to me, I agree that there is a high likelihood that User:EllenCT is a sock, not a meatpuppet. Both accounts (EllenCT and James Salsman) have been engaging in sockpuppetry and disruptive editing/offwiki behaviour, so the blocks are warranted either way. – Ajraddatz (talk) 01:08, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
Nrcprm2026 (talk contribs deleted contribs logs block user block log CentralAuth AllContribs checkuser) blocked based on enwp CU / block log. Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 11:49, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
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Jack B Williamson

Long-term cross-wiki abuse. See en:Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Brian K Horton for the English Wikipedia investigations. Jack B Williamson (block log) and Bernard Griffin (block log) have already been blocked as sockpuppets of Brian K Horton on the English Wikipedia. Karl Harrington has complained about the block of Bernard Griffin in Special:Diff/20528789. — Newslinger talk 09:04, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

See also the Steward requests/Global#Global lock for sockpuppets of Jack B Williamson for the pending global lock request. — Newslinger talk 09:08, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
Added one. — Newslinger talk 23:39, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
  It looks like a duck to me. @Ajraddatz and Trijnstel: Should you feel differently and see a need to run a check, feel free to do it. Accounts' locked already.—MarcoAurelio (talk) 13:58, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
  Not done It's all cases handled by me in SRG. There is no need to do further investigation on meta. --Sotiale (talk) 10:01, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
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These users are creating and/or supporting Requests for new languages concerning small Finno-Ugric, mostly extinct, languages, most recently Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Kamassian. Their modus operandi is very similar, as are the non-believable language skills they claim, cf. fi:User:ValtteriLahti12, fi:User:Lammõz. There is also Palmtree222 (talk contribs deleted contribs logs block user block log CentralAuth AllContribs checkuser) though he'll likely be stale. --MF-W 22:25, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Lammõz (also palmtree) are my old accounts, i forgot my password (yes i am bad ar keeping them) and created this account. Üpsi16 is one of my friends, he is from a completely different country though. who does not really use wikipedia, he just wanted to support me. Also i am really into Uralic languages, i study them for many hours and you can not accuse me for not having a skill if you have no proof for it. --ValtteriLahti12 (talk) 06:16, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
(i just read that asking friends support is not allowed. Sorry then wont do it again i did not know, i will stop asking friends help, though if this is enough to get a block then me)
How many more accounts do you have that you not been forthcoming about? -Yupik (talk) 07:05, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
do i have to tell everytime i leave an account behind in the past? If yes i can tell all them all i don’t want to break the rules on purpose ValtteriLahti12 (talk) 07:22, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
I'm adding in User:Водь. -Yupik (talk) 07:27, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
my old profiles are vod’ lammõz, palmtree222 though i did not use these at the same time perioids really. I left vod’ because i did not like the name. I left lammõz because i forgot my password and palmtree 222 for the same reason. Then i had a school computer profile ”informasjuunimasjiini” but i only used it for making edits and not anything else ValtteriLahti12 (talk) 07:36, 25 November 2020 (UTC) There are times i asked friends and family to help and i did not know it was banned. I wont do it again, if i am not blocked. Sorry for being an irritant. My computer still remembered palmtree 222 and lammõz automaticaly but i figured if i cant remember the passwords when i have to get a new computer i can’t use them anymore so i cant use them anymore so better make a new one. Also the Yukaghir wikipedia was a bad idea and i can’t remeber what i was thinking. You can delete it.
I aknowledge I am guilty of breaking wikipedia rules, though unknowingly. If i am blocked now I wont have anything to say to defend myself. ValtteriLahti12 (talk) 07:45, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
You used Palmtree222 and Водь to falsely boost support for the request for Meänkieli. So no, not unknowingly. -Yupik (talk) 08:26, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

i did them at different times and i did not remember than i had already put palmtree here, it can be deleted, just look at the time perioid between the edits, i did not really remember i had already done it and did not read the page before putting it. But okay this can't be proven and i am ready to be blocked from here i did break the rules afterall. Atleast i learned that next time i join into something i have to read the rules. --ValtteriLahti12 (talk) 08:34, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

if i get banned here, will i still be able to type in the incubator, for example the Votian incubator? --ValtteriLahti12 (talk) 08:42, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

Kaarkemhveel is not my profile but you can still check him --ValtteriLahti12 (talk) 08:52, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

okay so i did not read the rules and broke the rules because i did not read them, sorry for being an irritant you can block me here along with all the other profiles. I will go read the rules now so i don't get blocked from other wikis like here. i am guilty--ValtteriLahti12 (talk) 09:19, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

@ValtteriLahti12: So, what are your accounts? ValtteriLahti12 and Lammõz are your accounts, Üpsi16 is your friend, and the rest of the accounts are not related to you? --Sotiale (talk) 09:27, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
i already told my accounts in an earlier writing --ValtteriLahti12 (talk) 09:29, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
forgot to mention, i once had an account called "pepethefrog(many numbers which i cant remember)" --ValtteriLahti12 (talk) 09:32, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
@Sotiale:: ValtteriLahti12, Lammõz, Palmtree222, Водь, and Pepethefrog1234567890 at least. -Yupik (talk) 10:08, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
These accounts have also been used on multiple wikiprojects (Wp, Commons, incubator, etc.), not just Meta... -Yupik (talk) 10:12, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
Most accs were made with the motivation of a ”fresh start” but i did not know that if i use them again on certain things it breaks the rules ValtteriLahti12 (talk) 10:18, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
With Pepethefrog1234567890, you also blatantly lied that your mother tongue is Ingrian (izh-N) and not Finnish. Your use of separate accounts to artificially inflate active user numbers on incubator projects beggars belief. -Yupik (talk) 10:26, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
With pepe i think i made a typo, and you are accusing me that i artificialy tried to get the incubator numbers up, which is not true. I will state every account and their purpose.
palmtree222 my first ac
pepe: originaly created for usage in school
lammõz: did not like my old profiles name vod’: forgot palmtrees passwore
informasjuunimasjiino: changed schools so created a new profile there
this: forgot lammõz password
what i am gulty of is using other people to get the numbers up, such as friends.

since i will be blocked for this, am i only blocked in wikimedia or in all wikipedia sites, like english, karelian, finnish wikipedias forever????, i did it but i didnt relize it was wrong because i did not read the rules:,( --ValtteriLahti12 (talk) 09:40, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

? Please state clearly. List all of your accounts here now. Is what Yupik said is true? --Sotiale (talk) 10:28, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
some of his accusements sre not true but i posted the accounts in a list in the last edit ValtteriLahti12 (talk) 10:41, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
electronex isn’t me but a friend ValtteriLahti12 (talk) 10:41, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

now i am tired and i need some time to have a break, has been mentaly exhausting with the kamassian drama and this, you can just block me already and delete the kamassian stuff. I don’t habe the energy anymore ValtteriLahti12 (talk) 10:45, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

  Done I conducted this investigation centering on the accounts requested by MF-W.

  •   Confirmed ValtteriLahti12, Faakina, Lammõz
  •   Unrelated Üpsi16, Kaarkemhveel

From a technical point of view. For other accounts, please request if you need further investigation. --Sotiale (talk) 11:18, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

Thank you. If it doesn't need to be a separate request, I'd appreciate you checking Водь, Palmtree222 and Pepethefrog1234567890 too. -Yupik (talk) 11:24, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
@Yupik: They have no data for investigation because the data has expired. --Sotiale (talk) 11:30, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
Ok, thanks! We'll just have to go with his own admission of them also being his accounts then. Thanks for the help! -Yupik (talk) 11:32, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
so how will the block go? And atleast i now learned to read the rules on where i go... ps sorry for the annoyance i did not mean to cause a disturbance in wikipedia i only wanted to help small uralic languages ValtteriLahti12 (talk) 11:40, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
I blocked Faakina and Lammõz now. I've also made a request to check some account which are mainly used on Incubator: Steward_requests/Checkuser#The-electronex@incubatorwiki. --MF-W 11:44, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

Will my main be blocked?? Also electronex is a friend but go ahead and do the testing ValtteriLahti12 (talk) 11:54, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

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Status:    Done


  1. #1 and #2 have same babel in user page [4] [5], and you may also see similarity of phab:T268772 and Wikimedia_Forum#Do_interwiki_links_work_on_all_sites?.
  2. #1, #2 and #3: claimed to speak Chinese. #3 also have a number of socks (see w:Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/PythonSwarm).
  3. #1, #2, #3 and #4: all edited Wikimedia Incubator.
  4. #2 and #4: similar user name.

--GZWDer (talk) 12:09, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

  Doing...MarcoAurelio (talk) 12:33, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
The following accounts are   Confirmed:
It seems that enwiki knows this user as Bhinegar which seem to be   Unrelated at the technical level to PythonSwarmMarcoAurelio (talk) 14:29, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
@GZWDer Thank you for raising it up. Appreciate your report (and the details). All unlocked accounts locked by @MarcoAurelio. Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 14:46, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
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Soaring Phoenix

Good evening. I was blocked on Wikipedia in Portuguese for being abusively using my account by CheckUser Conde Edmond Dantès (talk · contribs), and in the blocking message, it was mentioned that I could request a review of my blocking, but this same user who blocked me forbade me to edit my talk page. Therefore, I used an IP to defend myself and request the review and removal of my block, since the same probably occurred by mistake, since I did not abuse my account, my contributions prove this. However, I was ignored by the administrator in question, and since I was unable to resolve the issue locally, I bring it here, and open that verification request to my own account to prove that I have not misused one or more accounts, and thus, my innocence is proven. I apologize for the bad English, I used Google Translate to translate my text. SoaringPhoenix (talk) 01:26, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Nothing can be done with your account at metawiki. Sort your problems out with the administrator or approach one of the other administrators of that wiki for help.  — billinghurst sDrewth 04:58, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
  Not done per above. This issue cannot be resolved except by local means. Vermont (talk) 22:12, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
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Status:    Done
Looking... Vermont (talk) 15:18, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
@Vermont see also d:wikidata:Requests for checkuser/Case/WIKICOLEGE (cc @Jasper Deng) DannyS712 (talk) 15:23, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
All   Confirmed to each other, as well as ISO2-PRIVAT-SOFWARE and WIKICOLEGE. Vermont (talk) 15:40, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
@Vermont: Thanks. Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 16:33, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

One more likely, based on the edits pattern. Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 14:04, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

Other than editing in a somewhat odd manner, I don’t see any behavioral connection. Vermont (talk) 14:24, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
Ok, shall monitor closely. Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 14:27, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

Seems the same name, and domain name ending. Checking for sleepers also. @Vermont: Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 13:05, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

  Confirmed and blocked. Best, Vermont (talk) 01:18, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
Thanks @Vermont Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 09:43, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Seems the same, let's check is there anymore sleepers @Vermont:. Thanks. Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 17:23, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

Just to note there is an active request here, I cannot use the templates as {{checkuser|}} renders Example (talk contribs deleted contribs logs block user block log CentralAuth AllContribs checkuser) Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 17:19, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
Just as a note, it should work with a {{=}}:
Sgd. —Hasley 17:35, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
Thanks @Hasley. Will do so next time. Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 11:52, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
@MarcoAurelio: You mean the check is declined or? I mean this account, Thanks. Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 12:56, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
Ignore, after much thinking, this seems too ducky. Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 11:10, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
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Status:    Done

Per similiar user(sub)pages + this + Inserting wrong materials in userpages @Vermont: Apologies this was filled wrongly, remembered wrong master in the above. Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 17:06, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

  Confirmed Thanks, Vermont (talk) 01:33, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
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