Meta:Babel/Archives/2015-12

Wikidata data access is coming

Hi everyone :)

A while ago you received access to the interwiki links from Wikidata. Everything seems to be going well so I'd like to move on to the second stage. You will get access to the actual data in Wikidata like the date of birth of a person. You'll be able to make use of them in your templates via Lua or a new parser function (#property). We'll be enabling this on December 2nd. This will be the day for Wikinews, Wikispecies, Meta and MediaWiki. I hope this will open up great new possibilities for you and make your work easier. If you have questions please come to d:Wikidata:Sister projects. --Lydia Pintscher (WMDE) (talk) 16:47, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

We chatted with fundraising and agreed to postpone this a bit on meta to not interfere with fundraising on the most successful days of the year. We'll move it to the 15th. --Lydia Pintscher (WMDE) (talk) 15:27, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
@Lydia Pintscher (WMDE): Well, but you missed a Beta Feature here: Compact language links. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 10:15, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

Global group filemovers

Hi, communities. Sorry for my bad English. I propose to create a global group filemovers to filemovers from Wikimedia Commons. Group pronuyu provide such global permissions:

  • autoconfirmed
  • autopatrol
  • autoreview
  • editsemiprotected

Many times there are situations when the global renaming the file and its subsequent replaced causes replacement of patrol marks from the article.

Create a local group will reduce unnecessary burden on the local community. Filemovers in Wikimedia Commons - enough to trusted members of the community, and excessive checking their changes is required. --Максим Підліснюк (talk) 19:42, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

  Oppose For mentioned cases use CommonsDelinker bot. Alan (talk) 20:06, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
Bot used for a large number of changes. If a small number of substitutions, used an automated script. --Максим Підліснюк (talk) 20:14, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
There is a checkbox that forces the change by bot: Try to replace usage immediately using your user account: . It's as easy as removing the selection. Alan (talk) 21:00, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
But unless that option is removed at all the group would actually make sense. It's either we force all filemovers to use the bot instead of script or we grant them the rights, IMHO. In general for me such a group looks sound, though details perhaps need some elaboration (did not check whether the list of rights is ok). --Base (talk) 21:07, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
Which filemovers uncheck that checkbox? I never uncheck that checkbox, so when I rename a file on Commons, the filename is typically updated using my account on all wikis. The main exceptions would be if there are too many transclusions of a file (the renaming script refuses to update links in this situation), or if the page's protection settings prevent me from editing the page. For example, I am not autoconfirmed on all projects. --Stefan2 (talk) 21:33, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
For this I proposed global rights autopatrol and autoreview --Максим Підліснюк (talk) 17:30, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
I think that filemovers need different rights on different projects. For example, here on Meta, users patrol all edits, but users on English Wikipedia only patrol the first revision of pages. A filemover might need autopatrol on Meta but not on English Wikipedia. Also, projects should be allowed to opt out if they prefer to patrol the edits made by filemovers. --Stefan2 (talk) 17:39, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
In Wikimedia there are two systems - patrolling and FlaggedRevs. Offered me right fit for both systems. Of course, the project should be able to refuse. --Максим Підліснюк (talk) 17:50, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

Babel template editing

Hi! The problem is that some babel templates, as these, listed here, have the same words in all language fluency level or just show it in English and not in the language of origin (e.g. templates for Ancient Egyptian, some died, not popular or created languages). I wish to fix it. Where can I edit the Babel templates, which show the language fluency? --Ochilov (talk) 08:36, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

I have noticed that too. I believe it is something to be reported on Phabricator best. --Base (talk) 12:51, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
I think that you want to talk to User:Siebrand about that. As far as I can tell, Siebrand knows everything about translations. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 19:37, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
On translatewiki. Matiia (talk) 20:04, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
@Matiia:, thank you very much! --Ochilov (talk) 05:28, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

Bad sites

Hello.What is your opinion about this page? --ديفيد عادل وهبة خليل 2 (talk) 17:14, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

Hello. My opinion? The English translation is too bad to be understandable for me. --Gereon K. (talk) 22:52, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
Hello too! Professor ديفيد عادل وهبة خليل 2?! Hmm a template may useful for your page: {{Humor}}. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 10:05, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
@Liuxinyu970226: Of course no.These sites should be repealed --ديفيد عادل وهبة خليل 2 (talk) 18:03, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

Deactivate the translation extension

Hi there,
is there any possibility to deactivate the translation extension for a page? Especially as the page is still under construction, it is quite annoying to update the translation tags constantly. Any ideas? --Cornelius Kibelka (WMDE) (talk) 10:45, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

@Cornelius Kibelka (WMDE): Just go to Special:PageTranslation and look for the page.--Syum90 (talk) 10:52, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
@Syum90:: Thanks! --Cornelius Kibelka (WMDE) (talk) 13:02, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

Must one really mind the translation tags? I usually don't when I make changes. The text in the page (be it English) is far more important than the numerous translation tags that clutter the source code. I just alter the text as I please and give a damn about the tags. Someone else, if they care, can put them right after me. I don't think that I violate any policy here by saying this. You simply cannot force ordinary people to learn how to use those pesky tags. --Pxos (talk) 12:32, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

1) Yes. And you probably create additional work for translate admins and translators by doing that. No, it isn't. And that is a bad way to do it. While you could have at least tried to do it ok yourself. No, there's no policy just respect to each other and common sense. Yeah we can't just as we cannot force people to learn English. 2) It took me several days to learn how to use the Translate Extension quite well. There are things I have to improve in my knowledge about the Extension usage but in general I might say I have almost mastered using it. I learn English for 13 years. Unfortunately that en-2 (being a mean of range of about en-3 in understanding and up to en-1 in oral speaking) is all I have so far. Still my English is quite good comparatively to what many many people have. People are not obliged to learn English, people do not know English not because they are stupid or something like this, but because of many various reasons. I see it as a plain respect to provide people who do not know English with means to still be able to participate in wikimedia movement in global scope. Is it that hard to learn how to at least not mess with that couple of tags so that translators could make their work of helping other fellow wikimedians? I do not check your contributions, perhaps your edits are not as bad as you described them, but then could you please not call people to do bad stuff? --Base (talk) 12:22, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
I did not say that I was "messing with the tags". I just alter the English text when necessary and try to avoid the translation tags as far as possible. If my changes somehow mess up the several translations, I simply cannot be held responsible for that. If a section has to be moved within the page and it has translation tags, I'd probably either move the tags or leave them be. If that creates additional work for tranlators, then so be it. Metawiki already asks thousands of pages to be translated in an ever-increasing pace. I was not advocating deliberately breaking stuff. Plese understand what I'm saying and what is the original point what I was trying to get across. --Pxos (talk) 17:54, 14 December 2015 (UTC)


Cornelius, when I'm actively working on a page, I've been putting a large note at the top that asks translation admins to not mark it for translation. I copied this idea from Tech/News/Next. When I'm done, I fix all the translation tags.

If you're doing a complete re-write, then you can extract the wikitext to remove 100% of translation tags. Try this link, except change the URL to point to your page: https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Help:VisualEditor/User_guide/en&action=edit Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 17:50, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, Whatamidoing (WMF)! --Cornelius Kibelka (WMDE) (talk) 11:10, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

Meaning of k/c/n

What is the meaning of “k/c/n,” as seen in {{Misc requests}}? I presume this abbreviation means something to Meta regulars, but I can’t find anything useful in a site search. Thanks. —67.14.236.50 00:31, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

See here I'm guessing it means "keep/change/neutral". —Justin (koavf)TCM 01:50, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
That makes sense. Is it explained anywhere? Shouldn’t it be? —67.14.236.50 01:56, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
Well, I’ve edited {{Misc requests}} and no one seems to object, so this discussion now seems to be the only place it’s mentioned… so I guess it’s irrelevant now. —67.14.236.50 23:27, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

My first account Allah began Allah~itwiki

I am against the fact that you change My name (the name of God for all the muslim people!) from Allah to Allah~itwiki. You should must not have the power to do it! My name is My name, if this is not good for you is the case that I leave your group. What do you think about it?! What can I do if i was the first to using My name Allah in wikipedia?! This is not My problem but My right, this is sure! Allah is only one and this I am. unsigned contribution by Allah~itwiki

There are two distinct accounts, one Allah~itwiki and one just Allah. If you are both, you can perhaps unite those two accounts, look in this page about SUL. Grüße vom Sänger ♫(Reden) 17:33, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

Hi. The {{looks useless}} is designed so after 60 days a page is tagged with that template, lists the page at CAT:DEL, but as you can see at CAT:LU that's not happening. I don't know which of the templates are failing and I'd appreciate some assistance on this. Thank you. —MarcoAurelio 18:23, 19 December 2015 (UTC)

Example: Meta:Proba_orria is categorized in the Deleteme category, but if you look at CAT:DEL, it is not there... —MarcoAurelio 14:05, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
CAT:DEL and Deleteme category are the same, no? As for the actual issue in hand, I don't think {{event trigger}} works reliably as the links table doesn't get automatically updated, afaik; you need to make an update to force a refresh. For example, Meta:Mañana was previously not in CAT:DEL but it is now present once I null edited that page. If we really want to make event trigger template work properly, I think we will have to set up a bot to force link updates regularly. --Glaisher (talk) 15:08, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
Oh, well. What a pitty. That template would have easied the work in programmed maintenance. —MarcoAurelio 13:04, 25 December 2015 (UTC)

VisualEditor News #6—2015

Elitre (WMF), 00:06, 25 December 2015 (UTC)

Problem with userbox

Hi! The userbox Template:User Wikiquote admin does not work properly - it shows "verify eo" where "eo" is my lang_code. Should be just "verify". You can look at my userpage and you will see. Can somebody fix the userbox, please? --Ochilov (talk) 10:45, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

I fixed the code and it should work now. --Stryn (talk) 13:40, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
Stryn, thank you! --Ochilov (talk) 13:50, 26 December 2015 (UTC)