Grants talk:PEG/WM ZA/Joburgpedia 2015 Phase 2

GAC members who oppose this request

1. Two WIRs for 350 images and 50 articles seems to me a bad relation costs/benefits, sorry, the measures of success are still weak. The proposal has been reviewed and reviewed again but these deliveries can be managed as community project. --Ilario (talk) 07:48, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
2. I agree... lots of financial/organizational effort to produce what 2-3 devoted Wikipedians can do themselves in 3-4 months. Maybe, it might be worth supporting if there is documented outreach effect - i.e. a reasonable number of people who might stay editors after the project finish... Polimerek (talk) 19:50, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
3. Moreover no replay in 2 weeks... --Packa (talk) 13:14, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

1. There are over 22 000 buildings in the City of Johannesburg alone, with archives of 5 000 historical of these within our GLAM Partner the Johannesburg Heritage Foundation (JHF). The JHF only opens from 8:00 to 13:00 twice a week. Five hours is a short time, for a single WIR to do research on historical buildings in the Foundation's Library, then digitize and upload the quality pictures onto Commons. If a single WIR can upload over 600 [[1]] of both pictures of buildings and archives/documents during that time. From that experience we felt that while one person will be busy doing the research, the other can be assisting with digitizing and uploading to get as much work done for that short period of time! Bobbyshabangu (talk) 21:18, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
2. I will also refer your concern to the respond above Bobbyshabangu (talk) 21:18, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
3. Many apologies for taking long answering these questions, I didn't have Internet access for the earlier part of this month. Bobbyshabangu (talk) 21:18, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

GAC comments

Hi, I have several questions:

1. For how many people you will organize catering, five of them?
2. What do you need for Portable Wi-Fi stations?
3. How will be used money you need for ConhillEdu Training Sessions?
4. How will be used money you need for digitisation (or what you will pay with this amount?

Regards,--Violetova (talk) 23:04, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

1. There will be five events/edit-a-thons, on each edit-a-thon we usually have approximately 20 participants.
2. We finally bought this Portable Wi-Fi stations and the amount will be amended accordingly, we use it to connect to the Internet during our training sessions/edit-a-thons.
3. This as well will be amended we've just had the ConhillEdu. Some of the finances especially for catering, we received from the City of Johannesburg.
4. This has been amended as well.-- Bobbyshabangu (talk) 02:25, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

Hi, you mentioned "at least 350 high quality images of historical importance to Commons" in you Measures of Success.

1. Do you mean Commons:Quality images level?
2. What do you mean with historical importance?
3. After my experiences the number of images is not so important as the number of (newly) photographed object. Do you think you could add this number to Measures of Success?

--Packa (talk) 22:08, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

1. Yes you are quiet correct there. Bobbyshabangu (talk) 02:25, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
2. These are the buildings that are tagged by the Johannesburg Heritage Foundation who's history depicts their importance in Johannesburg (South Africa), major events that led to their construction, the people who constructed them/their influence as well as historical events connected to them that shaped Johannesburg as we know it today.
3. Thanks for that suggestion, we want every image uploaded to tell a story, and be of Commons:Quality images.

--Bobbyshabangu (talk) 02:28, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

Community comments

Tony1

Not currently supportable, for all of the reasons explicit and implicit in comments above and below. Tony (talk) 08:55, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

WMF comments

These comments have been moved from the WMZA Funding Jun15-Dec15 grant request.

1. It would be helpful to have an update on progress made the first half of 2015. How did the 2 editathons and writing contest go? Are there updates on the partnerships?
2. We understand the main goal is to "increase Wikipedia coverage of iconic buildings around Johannesburg". In the last grant discussion, we talked about the need to have a better understanding of the progress that has been made in terms of this goal, the remaining quality and content gaps, and the strategy targeted to fill those gaps. We are still missing this information and the project implementation page only includes details on Phase 1.
3. Similarly, we had suggested doing a content review in preparation for the JHF WiR to make sure their time is used most effectively. Did you decide to do this? If yes, what progress has been made?
4. We agree that there is a ton of potential content to be gotten from the partnership with the Johannesburg Heritage Foundation. However, the current plan shows a mismatch in goals between a more general outreach strategy (lots of events, school program, and metrics around new editors/female editors) and the traditional role of a WiR to be a liaison between the GLAM institution and active community. To fund the residency, we need to see 2-3 active editors who are supportive of Joburgpedia and interested in writing articles about the content that the WiR releases. It is not the role of the WiR to write articles themselves (as this runs the risk of paid editing) but to release content for others to use.
5. In terms of the outreach activities, please provide an update on the editors that were involved last year. Of the 19 new users, how many are still editing or engaged with the project otherwise? We would like to have a better understanding of how these new users are continuing to stay engaged.

I am removing this component from this grant request and requesting that it be moved to a new PEG request as these questions would likely take some time to answer and I am not best positioned to answer them. --Discott (talk) 19:13, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

Partnerships

Conhill Education Programme: “They are involving 50 schools to collaborate on Wikipedia”. Can you please provide more details on this partnership and what collaboration with the schools specifically includes?

Moving to draft

Hi Dumi and Bobby. I'm moving this grant request to draft since we haven't heard from you in awhile. Feel free to reopen when you're ready to update or respond to the discussion. Cheers, Alex Wang (WMF) (talk) 18:41, 18 August 2015 (UTC)