Requests for new languages/Wiktionary Upper Sorbian

Upper Sorbian Wiktionary edit

submitted	verification	final decision

	This proposal has been approved. The Board of Trustees and language committee have deemed that there is sufficient grounds and community to create the new language project. The closing committee member provided the following comment: The test project has been deemed a success. The only step left before the creation of a Upper Sorbian Wiktionary is the translation of the basic wiki interface; if you'd like to contribute, please see "Localization" on the talk page.--Shanel 21:49, 14 July 2007 (UTC)[reply] ~~The board has given no objection, and a bugzilla request has been filed.--Shanel 03:29, 12 September 2007 (UTC)~~[reply] Congratulations on your new wiki.--Shanel 22:01, 27 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Proposal summary
Language details: Upper Sorbian (hornjoserbšćina, hsb ISO 639) Editing community: Ewornar (P), Tlustulimu, Nepl (N), Murjarik, Qualia, 32X List your user name if you're interested in editing the wiki. Add "N" next to your name if you are a native speaker of this language. Relevant pages: Test project, Wikipedia in Upper sorbian, Article about Upper Sorbian in enwp External links: [1]
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The Upper Sorbian language is a Western Slavonic language spoken in Saxony, Germany by appr. 40,000 speakers which makes it the larger of the two literary Sorbian languages. It is taught in several schools both as a subject, but it is also used for teaching. There is Upper Sorbian TV, daily radio and newspapers, fiction and non-fiction. Sorbian studies are being taught in Upper and Lower Sorbian (depending on our students) at the Institute for Sorbian studies at the Leipzig university (yours sincerely being the head of the department). After the revised edition of the orthographic dictionary last year with over 50,000 entries, an internet dictionary would be a natural next project for us, and wiktionary looks like the ideal way to go.

Language facts edit

Number of speakers: approximetely 40'000 (but cf. [2])
Locations spoken: mostly Germany
Related languages: Slavic languages

Arguments in favor edit

Support This dying-out language has a vigorous WP community, and it could be a good thing to have a wiktionary for them as well. --Thogo (talk) 21:10, 9 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Support I see a lot of contributors as Ewornar has a leading position at Leipzig Universitys Sorabian institute. --Dundak 21:30, 9 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Support I would be glad, if such a dictionary would be. I would like to help editing there. --Tlustulimu 08:24, 10 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Support In fact, this could be the start of a really well done sorbian dictionary, including not only linear translation into german ... Nepl
Support Let's all hope that "dying-out language" is not an adequate description of what Upper Sorbian is today! As always, everything Sorbian has my full sympathy and the Sorbian editing communities have proven more than once that they are capable of creating and maintaining viable projects. So, go ahead, start your test project! --Johannes Rohr 20:57, 10 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Of course, I hope that as well, but in fact, most children don't learn the language, but German. :o( And, yes, a project like Wiktionary can help to preserve the language, if the (elder) children participate and get more interest for their language. --Thogo (talk)
Thanks for the support so far. I'd like to add that all numbers (of native speakers, language users etc.) cited are mere estimations and might easily be a good deal off into both directions. We are considering several dictionary projects (e.g. we do not have a dictionary yet that gives the pronounciation of a given word) so we could as well (nay, probably better) start out here so that newly available material would be available to everybody. After all, getting the information is the important bit. Apart from the usual translations, citations etc. I would like to see concise explanations in Upper Sorbian since we don't have monolingual dictonaries so far and it would add to the usefulness for advanced learners as well as for native speakers who usually do not have good command of English (apart from the fact that for quite a few words you will not find counterparts in other languages easily). Come to think of it, a wiki like wiktionary is the only place where all this could be done. Ewornar
Support It would help me to help my upper sorbian friends in their wikipedia, because I am hsb-0 but want to support them. --Obersachse 13:24, 11 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Support slavic brothers --Sk-ru 13:39, 11 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Support per Sk and Obersachse. I can understand the grammar basics, but several words are still hardly readable. — Kalan talk ru c 14:01, 11 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Support Upper Sorbian Wikipedia works very well and I hope that Upper Sorbian Wiktionary will be also very useful. --Dezidor 21:10, 11 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Support Remember, there are upper sorbians which speak czech, english, russian, polish, lower sorbian ... but there are no available dictionaries between these languages and the upper sorbian one. With the wikisłownik we will get all these step by step. A very nice idea. Qualia 14:23, 12 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Upper Sorbian Wiktionary will be very helpful for people who want to learn this language. Pe7er 07:38, 16 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Support It would help me to learn this beautiful language --Kyknos 14:25, 28 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I think I don't need to write a support vote here. The Institute for Sorbian Studies at the Leipzig University is the reference for scientific research and work about Sorbian worldwide. With their contribution this looks like an instant success to me. I guess it'll even surpass the German Wiktionary within a few years. --32X 20:56, 10 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Arguments against edit

General discussion edit

Hmmm, I would have started a testwiki, but I cannot figure out how to do it on the incubator. I thought I'd just edit the main page, add a link and click onto it, but that page is locked. Yes, I did read the instructions, several times. Maybe I am just thick, but I do need a hint here. --Ewornar 22:55, 11 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The main page on the incubator wiki is only protected against anonymous users. Just create an account there and start editing. :o) --Thogo (talk) 23:10, 11 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm starting the test wikisłownik. The start page is http://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikt/hsb. To get an upper sorbian interface you must change the user preferences. Qualia 05:54, 12 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I made a single hesło rostlina and some templates as a zarodk for the new project. Lets start to discuss the wanted format with the rostlina article. Qualia 14:28, 12 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Shanel states that we still need to localise the interface for our wiktionary, but right now I can't think of anything left to do here. After setting my preferences to Upper Sorbian everything is just fine, thanks to our great wikipedia community! Keep up the nice work! --Ewornar 15:23, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I noticed yesterday that everything was translated, and have asked for this project request to be given final approval. :)--Shanel 21:21, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! My biggest problem right now is how to define the sort key. I could probably do it with the [[Category:foobar|sort key]] feature, but it looks a bit like a hack ... --Ewornar 13:42, 29 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'd like to say a big thank you to all the people here who helped in getting the project going and keeping me motivated. You really rock! --Ewornar 17:55, 4 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

How can I add bits of the interface localisation which aren't yet there? I seem to be too dense to find them myself and the link Shanel has given leads to an empty page ... --Ewornar 13:38, 7 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I guess you have to register at betawiki and become a member of the translators group. see [3]. --Johannes Rohr 16:11, 7 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

... or get in contact with w:de:Benutzer:Dundak/w:hsb:Wužiwar:Dundak, he has translated most of the interface for the hsb.WP. --32X 01:07, 8 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Dundak has just told me that http://hsb.wiktionary.org is now available! Now, that is just great!! If anybody could now tell me how to migrate our test articles? I am sure it must be explained somewhere but neither browsing the help nor searching the internet has given me a clue. --Ewornar 10:16, 26 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I don't if an automated procedure exists. If you have administrator rights (request them at Request for permissions), you can import individual pages via hsb:Special:Import), if import from the incubator is enabled. But I hope that there is a more convenient way of importing the entire contents of the test project, including an automated correction of the internal links. --Johannes Rohr 13:27, 26 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]