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Suggestion to introduce Idea: namespaceEdit

Moved from Wikimedia Forum --08:31, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

Currently Grants:IEG/* holds a massive amount of ideas for individual engagement grants, and this table links to grants as Grants:<Name of grantee>/<Name of grant>.

While I understand that Grants: is an existing namespace already, I would like to suggest creating an Idea: namespace for people to dump their software, tools, outreach, and the like ideas and to develop them together, before (if at all) requesting a grant. This could ease maintenance, and some unsuccessful grant applications would remain as an idea which could continue to evolve (and encourage community discussion) or be submitted for another grant.

This suggestion comes from the thought of having a readable page name and not limiting a specific idea to a specific grants program. This may simplify things, somewhat.

What do you think? --Gryllida 09:56, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

There's an incubator for rough ideas, at Grants:IdeaLab (See Grants:IdeaLab/Ideas/Show for the dozens of current ideas). (I guess you already know about that though, as I see you're already listed at Grants:IdeaLab/People!) I believe the idea is for people to collaborate (and find collaborators) there, before either making an official application for grant, or alternatively deciding that official support isn't required. I can see how splitting that list by itself into a new namespace might be somewhat useful, but I'm not sure how complicated the repercussions are for adding a new namespace (technically in the long-run, and socially), and whether it would be worth it overall. Possibly just creating more redirects, and writing clearer instructions on the existing pages, would suffice?
Plus there's the issue of "merging all brainstorming into a single location, versus placing it wherever is most appropriate". Eg. some people might prefer to collate outreach ideas at the Outreach: wiki. Eg.2. there's also Research:Labs2/Ideas (found via search, but I'm not familiar with it).
I'll ping Siko who might be able to give better insights. HTH. Quiddity (talk) 19:13, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
We already have such a namespace, it's called the main namespace. --Nemo 09:20, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
The entire wiki should be an idea lab then. Why put things to Grants:IEG/* instead of using * and adding relevant categories to the page?
Should Category:IdeaLab/Ideas/Active be a Category:Active or Category:Active ideas or Category:Ideas in the first place? --Gryllida 07:03, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

VisualEditor available on Internet Explorer 11Edit


VisualEditor will become available to users of Microsoft Internet Explorer 11 during today's regular software update. Support for some earlier versions of Internet Explorer is being worked on. If you encounter problems with VisualEditor on Internet Explorer, please contact the Editing team by leaving a message at VisualEditor/Feedback on Happy editing, Elitre (WMF) 07:29, 11 September 2014 (UTC).

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07:29, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

2014 Global South User SurveyEdit

Hi everyone. My colleagues and I at the WMF have been planning the run a Global South User survey during the fall of 2014. You may take a look at the background, goals, and target countries and languages at the survey page. You may also take a look at the questions, and help translate them if you know any of the target languages. Please don't hesitate to let me know if you have any questions. Thanks! --HaithamS (WMF) (talk) 16:33, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

@HaithamS (WMF):, would you like to share your survey plans on wikimedia-l? I noticed this announcement just by coincidence. Or did you announce it on other mailing lists? --Jcornelius (talk) 11:37, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
+1 to Jcornelius. @HaithamS (WMF): would you mind if I share this with AffCom and also with Mexicans and Argentinians to try to get feedback prior to application of the survey ? Salvador (talk) 04:57, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

Absolutely not. Please feel free to share around wherever it seems to be adequate. Thank you!--HaithamS (WMF) (talk) 14:42, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

Global renameEdit

Global rename is not really a global user right. I think the place user requests for this flag should be changed to Meta:Requests for adminship.--GZWDer (talk) 05:17, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Not relevant: it has global effects and belongs to SRGP. Besides, even "steward" used to be a "local" group; maybe global rename will at some point need to become a global group. --Nemo 06:26, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
Factual correction: The local steward group is still in use. The "global effect" logic is also not clear to me, as CN admin and massmessage sender rights are also not to be requested on a "Global permissions" page. Vogone (talk) 08:56, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
I didn't say it isn't, but it's also global now. CN doesn't make edits/actions and massmessage only does edits any unregistered user could make. Global rename is in fact an escalation of privileges traditionally held locally by no less than bureaucrats... the distinction may be a bit fuzzy and it's not set in stone, but it's sufficiently clear to warrant SRGP I think. --Nemo 09:01, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
Hm, I thought "used to be" was an indicator for the past. Sorry if I misunderstood that then. Vogone (talk) 16:19, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

We need help with the structure in the Spanish WiktionaryEdit

it's about the lack of the edit option in main entries (languages) and the subordinates (etymology 1, 2, etc.)
which basically means we are now forced to open the entire page every time we need to make a little change somewhere.
for new users it's annoying, for active users it's just mind crippling (and I'm being polite).

take the example "a" in the Spanish Wiktionary. there are 18 entries with up to 5 etymologies each... now picture an active user, who's already trying not to forget a big list of things to do... and then he has to work around this?

the topic is recurrent, but we always give up because the whole Spanish Wiktionary bases on the Template:XX-ES, and there is apparently no way to add an edit option to it.

does somebody have the time to look into it? we would be grateful!

--Ninud (talk) 11:27, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

If you want to be able to edit the pages, you'll have to write only section titles with the templates. You can't write the sections in templates (with <h3> or ===) if you want to edit the pages.
We used to have the same issue on fr: (and with every sections!), this is what we did:
Old fr Current fr


== {{langue|xx}} ==

So I suggest you do this:
Current es Suggested es


= {{lengua|ES}} =


= {{lengua|XX}} =

PS : using one template for all languages helps for migrating from the old layout, and it also means that only one template is required for every language (this is written in Lua, with a list of languages behind, see wikt:fr:Modèle:langue, wikt:fr:Module:langues and wikt:fr:Module:langues/data). Darkdadaah (talk) 15:16, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

thx for the help! :)
i hope, we can work with that --Ninud (talk) 11:39, 18 September 2014 (UTC)